Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sōken Kishō


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Netsuke. Tone 09:52, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Sōken Kishō

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I see no evidence the subject passes NBOOK or GNG. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 15:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature, History,  and Japan.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 15:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep or Redirect to Netsuke where it is already briefly described. The book appears to be famous for its descriptions of individual artists, see e.g. (Brinkley 1902) Japan Its History Art and Literature, multiple pages (searching "Soken Kisho" without diacritics shows other such references), Worldcat, but I am having difficulty finding sources describing the full work in a fashion that would support a standalone article. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 17:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect but "already briefly described" is also not the full story, since the description at netsuke is too long too and it was added by the same user at the same time. The list is not really helpful and a lot of the names on it are impossibly vague common last names and first names. 125.8.49.105 (talk) 05:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not have a particular opinion to delete or not, but I agree with the previous IP: the list of names really seems a bit dubious. I did my best to correct romanisation errors, and found at least one probable error in the original, but I question whether a list like this is helpful, or whether it should be added on the basis of a single source. Imaginatorium (talk) 08:40, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * I don't really understand the deletion policy, but the only thing I can say is that this is not a list book. This book is about sword fittings(this is what I found when I looked up the English translation of the Japanese word '刀装具'; it refers to the decoration of the sword) and the netsuke masters list is just an appendix. As far as I could find out, the book is not very well known and the people listed are not prominent enough to be written in Netsuke#Artists. -- Tmv ( talk ) 08:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "By 1781, Inaba Tsuryu (Shineimon) of Osaka, a connoisseur of sword fittings, could devote almost one volume of his Sōken Kishō (which can be translated as "A Treasury of Sword Fittings and Rare Accessories") to fifty-five netsuke carvers of his day and their designs... By the nineteenth century, however, many of the carvers cited in the Sōken Kishō had come to be considered originators of schools in their own right." Barbra Teri Okada, Netsuke: Masterpieces from the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Harry N. Abrams, Publishers, New York 1982, p. 14 68.189.242.116 (talk) 16:34, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Even if this is an important book in Japanese, it does not mean that it is notable in English. The article consists of a list of practitioners described in the book, of whom I think none has an English WP article; at least I saw no link.  Japanese sword fittings may be a significant subject in art history, but I am struggling to understand how this fits into the English WP except as a list; and not really even then.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:34, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect (or Merge) with Netsuke. Netherzone (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Netsuke where it is already covered. While the names on the list (from the appendix) does not show any notability, that is a separate issue that would seem best addressed on that article. Otr500 (talk) 09:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.