Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S.P.U.K.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 15:09, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

S.P.U.K.

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Non notable film Wayne Jayes (talk) 06:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


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 * Weak keep per Croatian reliable source Jutarnji calling the film a cult comedy classic. The sorry stub that was brought to AFD has been expanded somewhat, and now better serves the project and its readers.  There is the understandable issue in finding sources for a 1983 pre-internet youth comedy film that was apparently not released outside of Yugoslavia... but the fact that at least one found source tells it it has a cult following, indicates that other non-English sources likely exist. I think this a suitable stub that can be brought to the attention of Croatian-reading Wikipedians.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 07:42, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete for insufficient coverage to constitute notability under WP:GNG or WP:NFILM. Again WP:ITEXISTS is not sufficient for retention. Croatian sources didn't help. One cited review said it best film je pokušao izvući dobit iz eksploatacijske formule mladost- komika-erotika, no po općem sudu kritike i slabom odjeku publike - posve bezuspješno. (an attempt to exploit the adolescent-erotic-comedy formula that was unsuccessful with both critics and audiences.)  Not every film is notable. --Bejnar (talk) 01:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry Bejnar, for a non-English Yugoslavian film Croatian coverage counts, and we are allowed to consider the difficulty of pre-internet Croation sources being available online. A source telling us a film was not a critical success is coverage, even if negative... and what later becomes a cult favorite is not based upon financial success.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 11:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The Croatian coverage would count if it were significant, it isn't. --Bejnar (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Really? Is it you personally believe a 418 word 2899 character article which speaks in part about this film is insignificant? Or is you feel pre-internet coverage never existed? We'll disagree.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 07:16, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with whether the coverage is electronic or not. The article you just cited mentions the film is one sentence, translated: Among domestic films in the program are "Train in the Snow", "Sreća pojedinca - uspjeh kolektiva" [the film in question here], "Moram spavat' anđele", and the season closes with this year's hit film "The Priest's Children" by Vinko Brešan. That is not significant mention, no. --Bejnar (talk) 20:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * A topic need not be the main focus of a source, and Croatian searches are difficult. And cogent since I do not live in Croatia, finding online sources for something Croatian AND pre-internet is even more so. But your point does underscore it screening 30 years after initial release and thus meeting OEN prong 2.3 "screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release".  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 09:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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