Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. John Ross (writer)


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The result was   delete. Still unsourced BLP, no award wins mentioned in the article.  Sandstein  07:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

S. John Ross (writer)

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Longtime unreferenced BLP fails WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE. While the subject's relatively common name makes him a bit hard to search for I've come up with no reliable sources when searching for "John Ross" in conjunction with "Wizards of the Coast", "GURPS", "TSR", "Star Trek" or "Last Unicorn". All I can find are non-reliable forums, Wikipedia mirrors and the subject's own website. While I can confirm, through Amazon or Google Books, that he is indeed the author of the books claimed, I can find no reviews or other indications that he himself is notable. Perhaps someone more familiar with gaming will have better luck. Pburka (talk) 21:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - S. John Ross is influential and respected in the industry. Unfortunately, many of his major print contributions are from works that predate widespread internet use, so I can understand why it might be hard to find many sources online. His Origins award nomination for Pyramid is mentioned in the article, but alone is insufficient to meet the criteria of WP:ANYBIO. I'll see what else I can dig up, time permitting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangrolu (talk • contribs) 12:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment it is difficult to tell from an unreferenced article what his contribution to GURPS was but it won an Origins Award Hall of fame place, if he had a major contribution this would pass WP:ANYBIO.Tetron76 (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the article only mentions a singular nomination, which doesn't pass WP:ANYBIO. If someone could cross reference his list of works with at least one actual awards (or multiple nominations), that would pass WP:ANYBIO. - Sangrolu (talk) 11:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it is only GURPS that has won awards the problem is there have been lots of them. The only award that would matter for the anybio was the hall of fame but I cannot source it to confirm if Ross had an impact on this version.Tetron76 (talk) 15:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. Fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:CREATIVE. Qworty (talk) 08:25, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - the awards seem to confer notability; otherwise, merge to List of role-playing game designers. BOZ (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. There's no indication in the article that he's won any awards. It states he was nominated for one award. Pburka (talk) 19:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Nor is there a source that confirms that putative nomination. --joe deckertalk to me 23:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Unsourced BLPs should never be kept without being sourced, particularly those having sat unsourced for over seven years, and I don't see and have been unable to find sourcing here that would convey notability under the GNG or BASIC. Additional sources, as always welcome. --joe deckertalk to me 23:24, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Unsourced BLP and not notable. DLAwaster (talk) 18:44, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
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