Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. L. Martin


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The result was   keep. - Philippe 04:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

S. L. Martin

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No Sourced assertion of notability & those made unsourced are dubious. ref taggeg for over a year Nate1481(t/c) 09:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.   -- Nate1481(t/c) 09:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I can find very little on this person outside the UMARA site, which may be his. Some of the claims, like the 1988 Coors Man of the Year, I have been unable to verify online. He may well exist and have some notability, but lacking any good third-party articles, how much is uncertain. Unless someone can find a good biographical article that doesn't just repeat the info here, I say out. Brianyoumans (talk) 09:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I found this, which is a reliable website that proves much of whats in this article. This article doesn't speak of the awards the wikipedia article says he has received, but it does say he was named an honorary citizen of a city where over 1 million people live. I'm pretty confident reliable sources that give more information can be found.--SJP (talk) 15:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would still like to see an article in a reliable publication. If this guy has founded 40 schools, he should be profiled somewhere.  It may well be that he has been, and the article is just hard to find because his name is so common and hard to google.Brianyoumans (talk) 02:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: I have done some more extensive research on this guy. It is clear that the basic story is true - see this article in a local newspaper, for instance. He hasn't personally founded 40 schools, but it is possible that, running a studio for many years, his students have (although I could find only one or two examples). He does seem to be the American head of something called "Tang Sho Dau" (see here), but I have no idea how significant that is. He was recognized by Inside Kung Fu magazine in 2000 - see this pdf of a recent issue. Does this add up to notability? I'm not sure yet, but I'm closer to keep. Brianyoumans (talk) 03:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The claims in the article would seem to add up to notability, if true; the problem is sourcing them. Having searched around, I've found a little more coverage of him - e.g., this profile from the United States Kuo Shu Federation - which backs it up. It's tricky to judge this one due to the somewhat sparse coverage, but I'm convinced the article is not a hoax, and in that case I think he passes the notability test. Terraxos (talk) 01:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


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