Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S3RL


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 10:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

S3RL

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As far as I can tell, it fails WP:MUSICBIO. The only sources given are the artist's Myspace and a YouTube video. The only claims to notability are a YouTube video with "literal [sic] millions of hits" and the claim, from the artist's Myspace, that S3RL is the "first ever DJ from Queensland to be signed on a major Hardcore record deal". I don't believe either establish notability, and the second is not verifiable. On the talk page, the primary author of the article also claims S3RL is an "internationally popular artist" but there is no evidence of this. --darolew (talk) 00:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I admit there are a lack of sources on this particular person but none the less I challenge you to find any document proving the Artists claim to be false when he claims to be the first DJ to be signed to a major label from Queensland. as for your claim that he is internationally popular he's from Australia I MYSELF AM AN AMERICAN. look at around 50% of the friends on his myspace or 95% of the posters on his Youtube videos, he has major fan bases amongst the "UK Hardcore" genre lovers. -- Fr0z3n_Sh4de


 * Comment: Let me make a few remarks. First, please sign your posts using ~ (or see here). But to move on: The claim in the article that S3RL is the "first ever DJ from Queensland to be signed on a major Hardcore record deal" must be verifiable, which it does not seem to be; it is irrelevant that I cannot prove the claim to be false. Even if the claim is true, I do not believe it establishes notability, especially since the "major" deal appears to be with a non-major label. (The WP:MUSICBIO criteria, for the record, specify "two or more albums on a major label", which this claim of notability clearly falls short of.) Continuing, that you, a single American, has heard of this Australian band is hardly proof of "international popularity". Lastly, neither Myspace nor YouTube comments establish notability. --darolew (talk) 01:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

If you want solid proof of his international audience, take a gander at this show he played in Seattle, Washington, or perhaps this myspace solely committed to a show he DJed in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, additionally I know for a fact that he played a show at the Candyball Venue in New York City as my own brother attended it, it's just a matter of finding a document confirming ... If that doesn't qualify him as being "internationally popular", I don't know what does... Fr0z3n Sh4de (talk) 01:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: The first link is evidence he played a show in Seattle. The second is another Myspace, about a show he played it Pittsburgh. Neither of these establish "international popularity" or notability. The story from your brother is the same, except unverifiable. Merely having played several shows in the United States does not make the subject notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Even if it did, WP:MUS states that "the article itself must document notability", it is not enough to put forth claims on the AfD page. For more on notability for music artists and bands, please review WP:MUSICBIO. --darolew (talk) 02:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh there we are his upcoming shows list in his myspace "Sep 12 2009	8:00P Kandy Land in Salt Lake City	Salt Lake City, Utah Sep 25 2009	8:00P Fevah @ Planet	Brisbane, Queensland Sep 26 2009	8:00P Sector 7even @ Zillmere	Brisbane, Queensland Oct 9 2009	8:00P Jenocide09 @ Rockafellas	Brisbane, Queensland Oct 17 2009	8:00P Escape To Neverland in Seattle	Seattle, Washington Oct 30 2009	8:00P Candyball in New York	New York, New York Nov 13 2009	8:00P Dawn of the Rave in New York	New York, New York Nov 14 2009	8:00P LA - TBA	LA, California Nov 21 2009	8:00P Utopia in Sydney	Sydney, New South Wales Nov 27 2009	8:00P UK tour - TBA	UK, London and South East" how many of those are outside his country? I count more than half ... Fr0z3n Sh4de (talk) 01:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: See above. For all those shows, I can find no evidence of S3RL having received "non-trivial coverage in a reliable source". --darolew (talk) 02:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Additionally as for you not thinking his label is "major" look at this page Fr0z3n Sh4de (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: The above is a link to the "about" page for the label Nu Energy Collective. The S3RL article nowhere mentions this label; even if the label is notable (no evidence of that) I don't see how it's relevant. --darolew (talk) 02:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

here are 2 CDs released by S3RL on that Label Fr0z3n Sh4de (talk) 02:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: By doing a search on the above site, it seems S3RL has released one EP from Relentless Vinyl and has one release from Executive Records. If these are "major" labels or "more important" indie labels, this would meet criteria five of WP:MUSICBIO. I don't believe this to be the case&mdash;as far as I can tell, neither of them has so much as a website; and, at any rate, "the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true", which it does not. --darolew (talk) 02:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

My bad, It was abbreviated as NEC under labels ... I'll amend that Fr0z3n Sh4de (talk) 02:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: Allow me to reiterate that establishing notability on the AfD page (this page) counts for nothing. If you believe the subject is notable, edit the article to establish this, then return here, and vote Keep while pointing out how you believe the article establishes the notability of its subject. The purpose of AfD pages is to come to consensus about whether an article is notable; AfD pages (such as this one) are not meant as places to establish notability. --darolew (talk) 02:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

if you were to actually read the anymore of the site you would find the Nu Energy is is in fact such a large label it engulfs around 20 other labels and there's the website you were looking for at any rate... Fr0z3n Sh4de (talk) 02:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: 1) The number of "sub-labels" does not make it a "major" or "important" label. 2) I was never looking for the Nu Energy label. I pointed out that neither Relentless Vinyl nor Executive Records had websites, and were thus probably not major or important. --darolew (talk) 02:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

additionally I found this quote on that same sight "We All Scream Since first attracting the NEC’s attentions S3RL has since gone on to become one of the biggest Australian producers and is known worldwide. He has an immeasurable following in the USA and is rocking UK floors too with his distinctive flavour" Fr0z3n Sh4de (talk) 02:42, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: Not an independent source. Furthermore, please consider reviewing the AfD logs to understand how these discussions are meant to be conducted. (Edit: Or see here.) --darolew (talk) 02:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok with the items I just posted under the new discography section of the article I believe it qualifies not only under clause 5 but also under clause 3. Fr0z3n Sh4de (talk) 03:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, good faith search for non-trivial coverage in reliable sources turned up nothing of interest. No evidence of sufficient notability for inclusion. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 13:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.