Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SC Waterloo Region


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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn per SNOW. (non-admin closure) — kashmiri  TALK  12:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

SC Waterloo Region

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Fails WP:NSPORT - has not played in any major sports competition nor won any honours. Google returns an overall of 120 hits for the phrase, few of them are valid links and none indicates any significance. — kashmiri  TALK  00:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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 * Speedy keep Firstly, the club cannot fail WP:NSPORT, as that guideline does not apply to sports teams. Secondly, I think you may have messed up your Google search, as I get over 75,000 Ghits for "SC Waterloo" (apparently the club's common name) and over 8,500 for the full name. In addition, there are also rather a lot of news stories listed on Google News about the club (including Brazilian news sites). Number   5  7  09:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Disagree. You can of course apply WP:ORG instead of WP:NSPORT, as required by the guidelines, but the notability criteria then become even stricter - significant coverage is then compulsory, while this club has had none. As to Google results, try to scroll to the last result page and only then check the number displayed. Google search engine has this well-documented "feature" where its first result page dhows as possibly having hundreds of times more results than it actually does. For "SC Waterloo", there are 214 hits, most of them of no relevance. See this link: http://www.google.com/search?q=&quot;sc+waterloo&quot;&num=100&start=200. For the future, always try to scroll to the last result page in order to learn the actual number of results. — kashmiri  TALK  10:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but 200 is still a significant number. However, you're also ignoring the news items, which make it clear that the club is notable enough to be covered by the media regular basis. Number   5  7  16:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned, the vast majority of those 200 are invalid hits, like "M.Sc. (Waterloo University)", or Wikipedia transclusions/copies. The remaining ones are WP:TRIVIAL mentions, uniquely in the context of game schedules and scores. There is only one less trivial hit: report of an incident involving the team which appeared in local press – but, as you can verify, this was WP:ONEEVENT with no media followup, so nothing to give notability in Wikipedia sense. All in all, SC Waterloo is one of a myriad sports teams of local fame, with nothing that would secure it a place in an encyclopaedia. —  kashmiri  TALK  22:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have to disagree entirely with your claims about "trivial" mentions. All of the first 10 pages of hits on Google news are stories primarily about the club. A "trivial" mention would be a story about the league that briefly mentions the club, but the club is the primary topic of 9 out of the 10 articles listed on the first page. Number   5  7  23:05, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You must be using a different Google then. The first 10 results in my search (linked to above) are: page on soccerway.com (no writing, just raw data on the team pulled from external sources, as for 1000 other football teams on the website), the Wikipedia page, the team's homepage, and 7 links to pages containing raw football scores. There is NO SINGLE creative work about the team; only automatically created scores and schedules (i.e., what we call on Wikipedia "trivial mentions"). Further results are even weaker. — kashmiri  TALK  23:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I said Google News, not Google. If you missed the link above it, here it is again. Number   5  7  13:00, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Apart from the first TWO results on match-fixing allegations, ALL the remaining ones are WP:TRIVIAL mentions of no more than 7 sentences, mostly reports of match results at CTV News. Still no notability. — kashmiri  TALK  16:15, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, you clearly haven't actually looked at the evidence. This article (#8) is far longer than you claim. But you seem determined to have the last word, so I will make my exit from the discussion at this point, and leave the closing admin to judge for themselves based on the evidence provided and the comments from other editors familiar with the subject area. Number   5  7  23:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep - plays in the top division of Canadian soccer. GiantSnowman 12:06, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Number57 .It plays in the top Division of Canadian Football, in a 88 year old league and it was only in 2013 that it was decertified  as per this. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:00, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - As the largest soccer team in 9th-largest media market in the country, it's not surprising that it's easy to find many references (as noted above) for this team to meet WP:GNG Nfitz (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - General consensus is that teams competing in national competition are notable. This team competes at the highest level within its country. Fenix down (talk) 11:18, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - While the arguments that the club plays at the highest level in Canadian soccer are not true (the Canadian Soccer League doesn't even appear on the pyramid due to decertification by the Canadian Soccer Association), the club was at one time the champion of a notable league. This makes the club notable. The article requires improvement, not deletion. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 06:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


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