Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SMPK 4 Jakarta


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The result was   delete. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

SMPK 4 Jakarta

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Reason: General lack of notability (high schools may generally be considered notable, but middle school level vocational schools?) and lack of verifiability. Needless to say, if it is kept it needs some major formatting. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:57, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Are you certain this is a middle school as an American would understand it? "Middle high school" could very well mean "non-academic high school". The phrase "middle school" is sometimes assumed to be used and understood worldwide but it's really only common in the US and a few other places, such as a couple of Canadian provinces. --NellieBly (talk) 01:13, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * A SMP is the Indonesian equivalent of a junior high school in the US (grades 7 - 9). Senior high schools (SMA) are grades 10 - 12. The K in SMPK stands for kejuruan (job or vocation), just like in the high school equivalent, SMK. Hence, it would be the same as a middle school-level vocational school. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. --NellieBly (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I saw this is already closed, but I had to clarify: "SMPK" is Christian SMP (SMP Kristen); there are no vocational school in junior high school level. For vocational school, the correct term are SMK (Sekolah Menengah Kejuruan) and always senior high school level (a.k.a. SMA). So there's SMA (normal), SMK (vocational), and SMAK (Christian). Vocational school is an option after the mandatory 9 years of (general) schooling. Bennylin (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Comment/Question Article quality is never a factor in determining whether it should be kept. Notability only is what is important. How does wikipedia treat middle schools? I hope it's not a case of American middle schools being considered notable, but not Indonesian middle schools. What's the policy/convention here? thanks --Merbabu (talk) 01:14, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The quality is not what it is being nominated for. In my nomination I state that "... if (the article) is kept, it needs major formatting." The nomination is for a general lack of notability and verifiability. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I tried searching for Wikipedia:middle school and found many, many deletion discussions. The ones I checked were all pro-deletion. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:33, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK then, delete. What about the rest of them? --Merbabu (talk) 01:51, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess per Wikipedia precedent; keep the senior high schools (SMA & SMK) and delete the elementary and junior high schools (SD and SMP) except for those that are notable and the information about them is verifiable. However, I must admit that I think having an article for every senior high school in Indonesia is rather silly, since Jakarta alone has at least a hundred public high schools (SMA Negeri). Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete now that the editor has confirmed that this is a junior high or middle school and not an actual high school. Notability is not asserted, nor does a search reveal any special notability. Consensus is that schools below the high-school level are not generally notable. --NellieBly (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - and record this as a deletion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_schools_in_Indonesia and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia to establish a benchmark for what and why it was deleted''' - to provide further debate/discussion on the issue clearly in a findable set of locations - SatuSuro 04:13, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * True, it could be a big enough precedent if it is well-noted at the Project (and will trim at least 80% of the middle schools currently on the list provided by Merbabu above). Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.