Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SMP Negeri 1 Blitar


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The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  07:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

SMP Negeri 1 Blitar

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The article does not show enough notability. As shown in Articles for deletion/SMPK 4 Jakarta, middle schools / junior high schools are not considered inherently notable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:01, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, but it was the school of our current vice president. Is it not enough for "notability"? However, if the article still considered to be deleted, then please do. Sherlockindo (talk) 03:31, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am aware that Boediono studied there. However, on Wikipedia we have policies like WP:NOTINHERITED (which states that a person must be notable of their own right, not based on their relationship to someone famous). Although this probably could not be applied to this particular case, it is important to note that the school must be notable of its own right, and not only as the alma mater of the current Indonesian vice-president. For example, Obama's school in Menteng would also not be acceptable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:15, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, poor example. I forgot about all the coverage during the election. When SBY and Boediono were up for election, did anybody do a profile of SMP 1 Blitar? Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I remember that our national newspapers such as Jawa Pos and Kompas made some articles about SMP 1 Blitar during the campaign for the 2009 presidential election. Boediono even visited this school on May 2010, six months after his inauguration as a vice president (read the news here). As for the "notability", I was once a student of SMP 1 Blitar too and I know there are so many achievements achieved by this school, ranging from local to international level:
 * Academic Achievements
 * Non-Academic Achievements
 * School Achievements
 * Sherlockindo (talk) 15:28, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The school's site cannot be used to establish notability; for that, we need independent sources. As for the detikNews article, it focuses more on Boediono than the school. Although (in my opinion) it cannot be used to prove notability, we can use it for additional information if the article is kept, for example stating that "Indonesian vice-president Boediono attended SMP Negeri Blitar 1, and has said that he was proud to be an alumni. Here's the Google translation for any editors interested that do not read Indonesian. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's another source for the school's achievement: Sherlockindo (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note for other editors: The linked article notes that two students won prizes at the National Science Olympiad. Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep for now. The WP:NOTINHERITED guideline was intended for the kids of celebs and the like. It was not intended for schools. Schools influence the lives of their students so notable alumni are significant in assessing notability. I notice that there are a number of news reference for this school (searching the news archives for SMP 1 Blitar). My grasp of Indonesian is insufficient to easily appraise them, though. However, if a middle school has been mentioned more than once in a presidential campaign that's a pretty good start to a claim for notability. I think we should keep for now and see what sources get added in due course. TerriersFan (talk) 23:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, there's my verification that it doesn't apply here. I wasn't sure if there was a similar policy; I expect there would be, otherwise we could create Quality Hotel (Yogyakarta) because "Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono stayed there." As for the news sources, this one is about the results of the national exams, with SMPN 1 Blitar placing fourth in the province (and many of the articles found on Kompas' website are rehashes of it), I've had no luck finding anything on Jawa Pos' website. This is separate coverage of Boediono's visit linked above, focusing on a demonstration that took place when he came. There are many more articles on his visit, such as this one from the official website for the VP... a search for information that doesn't relate to Boediono doesn't turn up many reliable sources, if any. I haven't found anything from the presidential elections yet. All of the coverage seems to be related to his visit, nothing from the election. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course you couldn't find any news from Jawa Pos because you must subscribe and pay the monthly subscription fee first to access its digital edition, even the back issue (read here). Here are some articles about Boediono during the campaign that mention SMP Negeri 1 Blitar (just search for "SMP" to find it): (translation, the translation engine mistranslated "SMPN 01" as "SMPN 2001"),  (translation),  (translation). The last article doesn't mention SMP Negeri 1 Blitar, but the news is almost the same as the second article, search for "Tukimin" to find the similarity. And again, as for the "notability", even Boediono himself praised his alma mater's achievement. You can read it here (translation, the translation engine makes an error again, "Eks Sekolah" mistranslated as "Ex-Vice President", it should be translated as "Ex-School"). Sherlockindo (talk) 04:18, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That makes sense for Jawa Pos. Thanks for letting me know about that. However, this, this, and this are all passing references. To quote (with my own translations. As you said, Google Translate isn't very good.]
 * "Pensiunan guru SMA ini juga menjadi teman saat masih duduk di bangku SMPN 01 Kota Blitar." (This retired high-school teacher was also (his) friend when (he) was a student at SMPN 01 Blitar). Only mention in the article.
 * "Rencananya, pada hari ini Boediono akan bernostalgia dengan teman-teman SD Muhammadiyah 1, SMPN 1 dan SMAN 1 Kota Blitar, dengan makan pagi di Soto Tukimin." {The plan for today is for Boediono to go to SD Muhammadiyah 1, (as well as) SMPN 1 and SMAN 1 Blitar, with breakfast at Soto Tukimin. Once again, only mention.
 * "Reuni diadakan bersama dengan teman semasa Boediono menuntut ilmu di Sekolah Menengah Pertama (SMP) dan Sekolah Menengah Atas (SMA). Acara diselenggarakan di warung soto Pak Tukimin yang menjadi langganan Boediono semasa kecil yang terletak di Jalan Kali Berantas 45, Kota Blitar." (The reunion is being held with his classmates from when he studied in Junior High School (SMP) and Senior High School (SMA). The reunion will take place at Mr. Tukimin's soto stall on Jalan Kali Berantas 45, Blitar, which Boediono frequented when he was younger.) Once again, only mention.
 * A passing mention is not enough for notability. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yeah, as I said before, those articles only mention SMP Negeri 1 Blitar. And thanks for your translation, it's far better than the Google Translate's. I'm glad to know a foreigner who is fluent in Indonesian :) . Actually, I don't know much about Wikipedia's policy, so if this article still considered to be deleted, then please do. At least, there is still an article about SMP Negeri 1 Blitar in Indonesian Wikipedia. Sherlockindo (talk) 13:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment :-). If you want to read the guideline about passing mentions, you can take a look at WP:GNG. It is the first on a list of five suggestions for sources that prove notability. BTW: Thanks for the link to the Indonesian Wikipedia. Agus Suhartono, as commander-in-chief of the Indonesian army, qualifies as notable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. The Indonesian Wikipedia list two notable alumni of the middle school: Boediono, vice-president of Indonesia, and Agus Suhartono, commander-in-chief of the Indonesian army. Although Boediono's status as a former student has reliable sources, as of now none are available for Agus Suhartono. In other words, we have two notable alumni so far, but nothing much on the school itself. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I found some sources to confirm that Agus Suhartono was also a student of SMP Negeri 1 Blitar: (translation; Seputar Indonesia),  (translation; Republika),  (translation; Antara is the news agency of Indonesia).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherlockindo (talk • contribs) 15:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)  Okay, here is my signature: Sherlockindo (talk) 15:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will use the Republika source. For further discussion on this, we can use my talk page if you want to collaborate. Let's leave this for the deletion discussion. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

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 * Keep for now per Terriefsfan. It seems that  there is sufficient  media coverage combined with  the notable alumni. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:06, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
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