Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SOAS Students' Union


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 16:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

SOAS Students' Union
A7 tag removed by possible single purpose account. Non-notable university union group. –– Lid(Talk) 13:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete Just because a university has a student union, it does not make it notable. Wildthing61476 13:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It is notable because it is the most left wing radical students' union. And SOAS is very notable. The only reason LSE, UCL, KCL, Oxford, and Cambridge SU's are notable is because they are. same with SOAS SU. ExULstudent 13:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC) — ExULstudent (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete. Many colleges and universities have student unions: they are not inherently notable.  This particular union has garnered no press attention and returns a google search without quotations with approximately 35,000 results, many of which are irrelevant.  Srose   (talk)  13:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

This is my first attempt at creating an article. So saying I'm just interested in setting this up is shocking. It is just a battle to get this page recognised that is taking time, as I fear all my work will be wasted. ExULstudent 13:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&ned=uk&q=UCLU&btnG=Search+News UCLU hasn't got any news, and it has a page.ExULstudent 14:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment From the UCLU article: "University College London Union, founded in 1893, has a credible claim to be England's oldest students' union." I think that right there establishes a good deal of notority. As it stands right now, this article shows no notability, and only a statement that the Union has been at odds with the administration. Wildthing61476 14:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless it changes radically. This is a mixture of triviality and vanity. Guy 14:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4323575.stm no news! ExULstudent 14:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.95.225.189 (talk • contribs)
 * Comment. Please indent your comments with an asterick.  To address your comment: That article is almost entirely about the mayor; it has very little to do with the student union.  While the aforementioned student unions have not been in the news recently, they have a substantial claim to notability (see the evidence given by Wildthing).  Srose   (talk)  21:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. It is true that it has little to do with the students' union. The point is that the students' union must be a notable organisation for the BBC to be interested in what it has to say on the matter of the Mayor of London. SOAS Students' Union is also notable because it is the most radically left wing students' Union in the UK. It is know throughout the students' movement in that way. So if you have any students' unions on wiki then you should take note of ones who have left NUS (imperial) the oldest ones (KCL and UCL). In the students' union movement it is known because of this.ExULstudent 7:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. Evidence of SOAS Students' Union position has also been raised by the guardian newspaper http://education.guardian.co.uk/racism/story/0,10795,1481647,00.html This article talks about the stuents' union position on Isreal. ExULstudent 7:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. Evidence that SOAS Students' Union has also been raised interest in Isreal. http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/access/840090421.html?dids=840090421:840090421&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=May+13%2C+2005&author=YAAKOV+LAPPIN&pub=Jerusalem+Post&edition=&startpage=07&desc=Student+warned+by+his+UK+college+to+stop+protesting+anti-Semitism ExULstudent 7:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. If chichester, coventry, keele, kent, northumbria, Thames Vallye, UEA and Queen Mary's students' unions are notable then surely SOAS Students' Union must be due to its media coverage and its politics. ExULstudent 8:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Either keep, as student union of notable school, merge to the school, or userfy to the creator's userspace, and give ExULstudent a chance to work on it for a while. In either case, please keep current officers of student organisations out of Wikipedia. Even when an organisation is old and notable and has had later-prominent office-holders in the past, the current officers have absolutely no interest to the world at large and the information will be dated in a few months. (I deleted that section now, please don't restore it.) up+land 09:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. If SOAS Students' Union is merged with SOAS, then the same needs to happen for all students' union. When considering this article people need to read what is said about other students' unions in the English Students' UnionsCategory: English students' unions. Then a policy needs to be established on Students' Unions. ExULstudent 10:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete SOAS student union has no particular notability. Being somewhat radical/considered full of hippies isn't especially notable. MLA 10:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. Being a radical students' union is notable because in the history of students' unions they all used to be far more left wing, as is mentioned on their wiki pages. SOAS has been the only one that is still radical that is why it is notable.ExULstudent 11:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. I'm afraid I really cannot take a stand one way or the other. I have just arrived at SOAS, and while I get the impression that they are the most left-wing student body in the UK, that does not unfortunately make them quite notable enough. I say merge most of this info into the main SOAS article, or add discussion of individual particular events in which the SOAS Union did something notable to the whole city, country or world. Have they led marches that made the news? Have they in any way truly affected policy? I honestly don't know... LordAmeth 11:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. If that is the requirement for notability then all students' unions must be merged into the university in which they come from. You can not simply do this for just one, with a different rule for the others. ExULstudent 11:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep It's just a club under WP:ORG, though that's only a proposed guideline. This student union has had some national media coverage for racial hatred, like in 2005, although I don't see any positive achievements. Ordinary squabbling with authorities in a university doesn't count as encyclopedic. Mereda 16:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. If you think that "ordinary squabbling with authorities in a university doesn't count as encyclopedic", why are you !voting "keep"?  I'm afraid I don't understand your rationale.  Srose   (talk)  22:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * CommentIn the english students' union section includesCity and Guilds College Union. This students' union is just really part of Imperial College Union. Why is this notable and SOAS Students' Union not? University of Plymouth Students' Union just says it is a students' union nothing notable. Yet it has a page. MMUnion also just states it is a students' union, nothing notable. Yet it has a page. SOAS Students' Union has a long contoversial history. Things are include on Wiki that are controversial.ExULstudent 22:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete nn club. Vegaswikian 03:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep It would be inconsistent to delete this article while keeping many others on students' unions. SOAS SU has one of the highest profiles and repeatedly features in discussion of and allegations about anti-semitism at the institution. Timrollpickering 13:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


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