Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SPA3102


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 18:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

SPA3102

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Contested prod. I can not find any reliable sources that discuss this gateway/router. There is no indication it is notable and I see no reasonable redirect for it. GB fan 14:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC) GB fan 14:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * deleteJust a catalogue listing of a product with no notability in itself. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Has anyone tried a search engine? This product is used on VOIP providers all over the world. Literally it can be unplugged from home and take with you overseas and plugged in there, where it will again work as if you were home. I have found how-to guides on dozens of sites selling VOIP services, all specific to this device. Forgive my ignorance of the editorial process here, but Cisco/Linksys have 99% of their data in PDFs that are a pain to demonstrate. But I will manually type up citations if that is what is required. If Wikipedia is only interested in things that already exist as HTML, what purpose does it serve but as a parasite of the rest of the Internet? Thanks in advance for any replies. OmniNegro (talk) 21:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The point about "not being a parasite of the rest of the Internet" is that WP should not merely duplicate what's already indexed via Google. There has to be some 'editorial narrrative' to include as an encyclopedic topic. Duplicating an existing catalogue is not within encyclopedic scope. It's quite likely that VoIP gateway belongs on WP as an article, and this product might even be a major part of that article. However an article on one product in isolation fails to explain the encyclopedic narrative of that topic. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I did try a search engine before I nominated it for deletion. Sources do not have to be in HTML they don't even have to be electronic.  They can be any form even paper or video as long as they are reliable and independent of the subject of the article.  GB fan 23:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as one of 100s of 1000s of products out there that are not deserving of a WP article. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Delete away at your leisure. But it seems an impossible goal for Wikipedia to be useful on every aspect, and to also require such high standards for references. I will continue transcribing details I can find for inclusion into the article. Perhaps I can figure out what to put there so you will see some value to this, other than calling it a catalog of 100ks of similar items. I retain a copy of this article on my hard drive so it's loss can always be reverted if I can figure out what you need to find it worthy.

Do check the article on VOIP Gateways. It may interest you since I wrote that one just a bit ago. It currently lacks references, since it is hard to find what would be acceptable here that is not selling a service or product. Please do not delete it immediately without good reason. It is a work in progress and will have external references soon enough too. Thank you each for your input. OmniNegro (talk) 04:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, that should be a useful article.
 * Do you see how it's a much more useful article about VoIP than SPA3102? Lots of people, even those with a SPA3102, will want to read what the generic VoIP gateway does, so this is useful to all of them.  Someone with a different gateway though has much less use for an article on the SPA3102 (and the lifetime of VoIP gateways will be longer than one product's). Even if the single product article also included a stellar explanation of what VoIP gateways do, there's still the risk that a non-SPA3102 user wouldn't find it there.Andy Dingley (talk) 11:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. I see that article as being useful to everyone wanting knowledge about the general items without focusing on the specific device. May I presume it was you who deleted the reference to the SPA3102 as a VoIP gateway? If so, I do not mind. Just please sign your edits. And thank you or whomever else it was that helped cleanup the article and linked in the other subjects it uses. There are more to go. But I am quickly running out of possible references to link to the page. It currently has no external references at all. OmniNegro (talk) 06:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Tagged for 2 years and still not WP:N or WP:V - LES 953 (talk) 02:39, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
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