Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SSSPM J0829-1309


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The result was redirect to List of smallest stars. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  10:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

SSSPM J0829-1309

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Previously rejected as a draft, but somebody just created it in article space. Fails WP:NASTRO and WP:GNG. Most of the sources are catalogs or even unreliable; and the few that mention this are either trivial mentions (like the Dieterich et al. paper) or the discovery paper (which, per NASTRO, is not independent). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 12:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Astronomy-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * In addition, the article in it's current state is a word-for-word and unattributed copyvio of the draft. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect: it's not completely non-notable, being a nearby bright L dwarf that gets mentioned in several studies. But there's not enough published yet to deserve a stand-alone article. I suggest adding it to List of brown dwarfs and redirecting there. Praemonitus (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * One of the studies (which was one of the two reliable references, although it only covered SSSPM J0829-1309 in one paragraph and the results) indicated that SSSPM J0829-1309 was fusing hydrogen and was a star. Some references (mainly older ones) say it is a brown dwarf, others say it is a star. Since we have no proof, it should not be redirected to something on brown dwarfs but something on red dwarfs, stars or just L-type stars/brown dwarfs. That is why a redirect to List of smallest stars (where it is already mentioned as a red dwarf, just without information) would be better than a redirect to List of brown dwarfs. If redirected, we will add information to the notes section to fix the information gap. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 15:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not particular; it could be added to both articles. Praemonitus (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect: As the person who created the now-rejected draft (which has now been turned into a redirect), I would say that it should be redirected to List of smallest stars because that it one of the primary places that mention it. The notes section for SSSPM J0829-1309 is empty, and we can take some information from here (and maybe a reference) to there to fill in the information gap. I agree that it is currently non-notable (see Talk:SSSPM J0829-1309) until more about it is published or something notable happens to it (like the discovery of a potentially habitable exoplanet). InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 14:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of smallest stars, per InterstellarGamer12321's comments. Makes the most sense based on the context. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: If SSSPM J0829-1309 is turned into a redirect, will the page history be saved? InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 17:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can usually go back and view the history. Praemonitus (talk) 14:11, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: When I went onto the SIMBAD page, it said there were 43 references, many of which were scientific papers. Do any of them establish notability, or are they irrelevant or lack coverage? InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I have been able to determine, most are brief mentions by way of comparison to other objects. The only substantive study was the original discovery paper. Praemonitus (talk) 14:07, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Searching Google Scholar gives 19 results, a few of which might give SSSPM J0829-1309 notability. Bli231957 (talk) 19:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Some of the results when searching Google Scholar gave results that give SSSPM J0829-1309 notability.Bli231957 (talk) 12:57, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Which ones? Please pick WP:THREE of those which you think do meet the standards of WP:SIGCOV. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The citations are: Z. H. Zhang 张曾华, D. Homeier, D. J. Pinfield, N. Lodieu, H. R. A. Jones, F. Allard, Ya. V. Pavlenko, Primeval very low-mass stars and brown dwarfs – II. The most metal-poor substellar object, Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Volume 468, Issue 1, June 2017, Pages 261–271, https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/stx350


 * Spectroscopic classification of red high proper motion objects in the Southern Sky, N. Lodieu, R.-D., Scholz, M. J. McCaughrean, R. Ibata, M. Irwin and H. Zinnecker, A&A, 440 3 (2005) 1061-1078, DOI: https://doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361:20042456


 * R.-D. Scholz, H. Meusinger, SSSPM J0829–1309: a new nearby L dwarf detected in SuperCOSMOS Sky Surveys, Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Volume 336, Issue 3, November 2002, Pages L49–L52, https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1365-8711.2002.05998.x Bli231957 (talk) 09:42, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The last one is a repeat of Source Number 2 (reliable but not independent). However, the other ones might establish some notability. What facts do they give that show notability and adhere to WP:SIGCOV? InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 11:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * If these do not establish notability, then check the ones that SIMBAD cites. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 11:44, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The other sources on SIMBAD are mostly all-encompassing surveys like Gaia or 2MASS. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The first is plainly a trivial mention, with the whole of the coverage on the star being (in an explanation of a graph), Two five-pointed stars filled with red are the L1 SSSPM J0829−1309 and the L2.5 2MASS J0523–1403, which are likely least massive stars in the local field (Dieterich et al. 2014).
 * The second one is also similarly not-very-much-to-be-said, with the whole of the coverage being The nearest L dwarf in our sample (SSSPM J0829−1309; L2.0) has a spectroscopic distance of ∼ 12 pc and we confirm the spectral type obtained from a lower signal-to-noise spectrum in the discovery paper by Scholz & Meusinger (2002) and This was successfully demonstrated by the discovery of the first field L dwarf, Kelu 1 (Ruiz et al. 1997), other bright L dwarfs including SSSPM J0829-1309 (Scholz & Meusinger 2002) and LSR 0602+3910 (Salim et al. 2003), and the very nearby T dwarfs ε Indi Ba,Bb (Scholz et al. 2003). These are, at best, trivial-ish mentions. This might be enough to support mention in an existing article about very-low-mass stars or brown dwarfs, but not nearly enough for a standalone article. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * In that case, since nothing establishes significant notability, I think we should redirect to List of smallest stars (which is an article on small and low-mass stars as well as some brown dwarfs) as said in my earlier comments. If something happens to make SSSPM J0829-1309 notable, we could always make it into a full article again. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2022 (UTC)


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