Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/STARFLEET International


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

STARFLEET International

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This association has no substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources. Just having a lot of members - though I note the claim is for the largest fan run science fiction fan club, not the largest science fiction fan club - does not make it notable - see WP:BIGNUMBER. I had a good trawl through a lot of the total of 572 google hits here [] and didn't turn up any substantial coverage. Springnuts (talk) 22:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Star Trek fandom. If that claim about being the largest sci-fi club can be substantiated by a specific reference to the Guiness Book of World Records (claim uncited since August 2003), toss it into Star Trek fandom. --EEMIV (talk) 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why delete first? If you redirect without deleting, you give someone the chance to finally check on the record claim. - Mgm|(talk) 09:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Either/or. Whatever. Redirect it, then. --EEMIV (talk) 11:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I had no difficulty locating the reference to Guinness World Records which I have cited. Since this did not take long, this is just a matter of WP:NOEFFORT and WP:IMPERFECT.  The organisation is evidently notable and the article should not be deleted per WP:PRESERVE. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Afterboth (talk) 12:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC) — Afterboth (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete, only claim to notability (the Guinness record) is utterly trivial, and is misrepresented in the article anyway: Starfleet is not listed as the largest science fiction fan club, but the largest Star Trek fan club, which is a much more limited record. I'll correct the article acordingly... Fram (talk) 13:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Appearance in the Guinness Book of Records is obviously not utterly trivial but is a significant accolade. The lack of other sources is just as matter of WP:NOEFFORT as I have demonstrated by adding another source.  Refusal to find and accept good sources and to explore alternatives to deletion is contrary to our policies: WP:PRESERVE, WP:BEFORE, WP:IMPERFECT.  Colonel Warden (talk) 13:53, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, but often appearance in the Guinness book is pretty trivial. A local student club having some silly record for a few months is not suddenly a notable group for that achievement alone. As for your policies: preserve is curently heavily disputed, before is about nominating for deletion, which I didn't do, and imperfect is irrelevant: I did not claim that the article should be deleted because it is imperfect. As for misrepresenting a source first, and then claiming that the one pointing this out is guilty of "noeffort", is bizarre. There are sources mentioning the club in passing or in a short paragraph, but to me this is insufficient. Fram (talk) 15:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep If they are the world's largest fanclub of an extremely notable fictional franchise then the rest is sourcing and clean-up which also seems to be met. Here's a few books that may also help. -- Banj e  b oi   16:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:ORG - unnotable. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 21:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable enough to make it into the Guiness book of world records. Dream Focus (talk) 15:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.