Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SUIT Framework


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

SUIT Framework

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Prod contested solely on WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS grounds. Software with no evidence of notability. By the way, PHAML does not have its own "wiki article." It is Wikipedia that has an article on PHAML. Quite different: see WP:OWN. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 22:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Whether Wikipedia owns the article or not is irrelevant an irrelevant concern, and is not what I was getting at. What I was referring to is the fact that there is an article on PHAML, although it has no signs of "notability" either. I'm not quite sure how this article on software fails to meet the criteria of notability, so if you could explain that, it would make this proceeding much quicker. Faltzer (talk) 22:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * By its nature, you can (and should!) expect that Wikipedia will have some stuff falling through the cracks. But that's not a reason to widen the cracks. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 22:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

If the debate is that this article should be modified, I'd love to here suggestions, but I certainly think that this article should exist in some way, shape, or form. That being said, I'm wondering what I'd need to include to prove this products notability. As far as independent coverage goes, an old incarnation of SUIT was nominated for an award on PHPClasses (See the class page), and regardless of the fact that it wasn't ranked highest among users, it was selected by the creator of the site as innovative, and this was a horribly made prototype of what you see today. Is this sufficient? If not, please explain what would be. BrandMan211 (talk) 22:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:54, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The debate is whether the article meets the notability guideline, not whether it should be modified; although you can save the article by bringing it into line while the debate is ongoing if that is possible to do. The essence of notability on Wikipedia is if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.  You should read the guideline which explains what all these terms mean on Wikipedia.  Currently, the article contains no citations to reliable sources at all and consequently is liable to be deleted. If no such sources exist, the article cannot be saved.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  10:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This is yet another AfD by Blanchardb where GBooks and GScholar articles haven't been searched. I will add references to the article. I reiterate my request to Blanchardb to search GBooks and GScholar before nominating AfD. I will add a more thorough description of how I believe Blanchardb's nomination method is not according to the WP guidelines. I will have to do some wikilawyering first, unfortunately. (I'm also working on a more specific demonstration of the notability of Flux2D/3D which was deleted recently based on discounting of incomplete evidence of notability. In future, I will be more specific in providing specific references.) &mdash; HowardBGolden (talk) 22:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. (Scripting Using Integrated Templates), often referred to as SUIT, is a web template engine with implementations written in PHP and Python. Its goal is to separate the Client-side languages (HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc.) from the Server-side language (PHP or Python) using a third language with a user-defined syntax.  Bulk of the page is in code, not in English. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No sources found on google news, google books, google scholar, google shopping, google maps, google finance, google translate, youtube, facebook, or myspace. Nomination looks fine to me.  All sources currently in the article are primary.  Fails WP:GNG.    Snotty Wong   talk 18:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment SnottyWong, please paste this link into your browser's address box: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22SUIT+Framework%22 . Then hit return. Do you see any references? I do. Are we in different universes? If you do see references why did you say you didn't above? &mdash; Puzzled, HowardBGolden (talk) 02:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC) I was in error. The SUIT framework I found was a different project. My apologies to all! &mdash; HowardBGolden (talk) 02:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete; trivial remarks/references only are visible for the subject. As an aside, from either side, the OTHERSTUFF arguments end up being a push, either way; though, in this case, the WP:OSE argument was nixed by the deletion of the PHAML article.  Sorry to get off-topic. Aeternitas827 (talk) 08:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Do what you all have to do. That said, if these are truly the standards for notability, please nominate every system on this page other than Smarty. BrandMan211 (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.