Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saadallah Al-Zacko


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The result was   delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:55, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Saadallah Al-Zacko

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A7: Lack of notability. Only source is the subject's Facebook page. Celestra (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2013 November 22.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 18:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Reply by User:Ameer_saadallah: This Person is famous as a successful surgeon not only in Mosul, but also in all over Iraq. He has done many successful cosmetic surgeries for people in all over Iraq. He is well know in University of Mosul for his ambition and loyalty.
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 * I strongly discourage deletion of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameer saadallah (talk • contribs) 10:52, 23 November 2013.
 * I took the liberty of formatting and signing your reply; I hope you don't mind.
 * I saw the examples of his work and I can only conclude that he is a fine surgeon and a great humanitarian. We determine Notability using the path described in Notability (people): "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." In other words, we do not determine whether a person is notable, we observe whether others have found him notable.
 * None of the references you have added to the page are "independent of the subject" except the iraqhurr.org piece and it is only a mention. (Three doctors are mentioned in about 300 words of text.) The College of Medicine site contains numerous before and after photos and I take that as a sign that it is under Dr Al-Zacko's control, but I could be mistaken. If you can provide some independent sources about the subject, notability stops being an issue; otherwise, I think we must delete this article. Regards, Celestra (talk) 20:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Reply by User:Ameer_saadallah: The College of Medicine site is not under Dr. Al-Zacko control but only the operation photos are used after his permission (which implies that the didn't wrote the article about himself). There were some issues about the references of Dr. Al-Zacko's publication that I have solved. In Addition, I've missed one important reference, but now it's written in the article "كتاب: دليل الاطباء و الصيادلة العاملين في الموصل في القرن العشرين الجزء الثاني (1901-1990) صفحة 100-101 = In English " Book: Guide of Doctors & Pharmacists working in Mosul in 20th century (1901-1990), Part 2 page 100-101. --Ameer_saadallah (talk) 18:17, 26 November 2013.
 * Comment All those bare URLs in boxes should be inline citations, and may be the needed references for notability. I added two tags, and I want to see the results before I say oppose or keep. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Request This article AfD should be posted on some WikiProjects.--DThomsen8 (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete. No cites in GS, no pass of WP:Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC).
 * Commment if he's chief of surgery (equivalent to a named chair) at a major academic hospital that may satisfy WP:PROF. In Iraq's context, I'm not sure what higher standing a surgeon could reach (I'm not pushing here - just asking). -- Scray (talk) 18:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a resumé instead of an article! Fails WP:NOTRESUME. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 17:16, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I can't find that he passes WP:GNG or WP:ACADEMIC; he seems to be a plastic surgeon in private practice. He has published (and yes, some of them ARE listed at Google Scholar), but citations are minimal. Not sure how to evaluate the academic appointments; he has a private practice, and in the U.S. that would usually mean he is a part-time academic, spending most of his time on his private practice and volunteering at the local university. I'm not sure how if that's how it works in Iraq. But my feeling is that WP:ACADEMIC is intended to apply to full-time academics or highly-cited writers. --MelanieN (talk) 19:22, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
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