Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saadia Sehar Haidari (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  14:24, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Saadia Sehar Haidari
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This BLP was nom for deletion last year but somehow kept so here I re-nom it for deletion. Journalists are not given an automatic free pass over WP:BIO just because they exist — their ability to qualify for Wikipedia articles is determined by criteria at WP:JOURNALIST which the subject clearly fails. Apparently the BLP is being written by the subject herself. Search doesn't produce any coverage and substantial information in the independent RS about the person either so fails to meet basic GNG. Saqib (talk) 15:43, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep award winning photojournalist in Pakistan. Noted as the country's first female photo journalist. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:27, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And who say she's the country's first female photo journalist? This article which is written by the subject herself? Anyways, she's not the country's first female photo jour but maybe female video journalist as per this news story but this alone does not establish WP:N. None of the awards she received are significant or notable. --Saqib (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:48, 18 May 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:03, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I added some additional citations. She is an award-winning journalist and was the first female journalist for two major news organizations in Pakistan (Associated Press of Pakistan and Geo News). Passes WP:GNG for significant discussion in secondary sources. Lonehexagon (talk) 16:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said above she is not the first female journalist in Pakistan. Please do some fact checking before !voting here. Working for news organisations does not make one notable and being "first female journalist for two major news organizations in Pakistan" is not something special. None of the awards she received are notable. You need to provide some coverage here to establish the WP:N.--Saqib (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't say she was the first female journalist in Pakistan. That was someone else. I said "She is an award-winning journalist and was the first female journalist for two major news organizations in Pakistan (Associated Press of Pakistan and Geo News)." I didn't say that is why she qualifies; I said she qualifies because her article satisfies WP:GNG for significant discussion in secondary sources. WP:N states "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." I believe that has been satified here. Lonehexagon (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK and I believe she does not meet GNG because I don't think the coverage is significant as GNG requires. Two of the sources (WAN-IFRA and The Media Line) are of dubious quality so I would not even consider them to establish the WP:N. The standard set for sources to support claims within an article is a lower standard than that for sources to establish WP:N. My comments are concerned with sources used to establish notability. And I don't think the provided sources meet the criteria for establishing notability. --Saqib (talk) 21:24, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable journalist with non-notable work and awards lacking in-depth, non-trivial support. Looking at the sources it sounds like she was in news for receiving Press Freedom Award in 2011 so WP:BLP1E applies. Fails WP:JOURNALIST. GSS (talk |c|em ) 18:07, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


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