Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saakara


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Saakara

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Wikipedia is not a recipe book. Jrtayloriv (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  --  N / A  0  00:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as it is just a dictionary definition. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  09:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep (and Rescue) Admittedly the reference is a receipe, but that's unavoidable for an article about prepared food. It is appropriate for WP to have such an article, linked as it is to the larger article on Oriya cuisine. It may be difficult to find Google-able references so editors will have to actually read books (remember those?) and even visit the library (remember that?). Such articles help balance the western-centricity of WP. And last, it's only a few days old - can't we give it a chance to grow a little before we decide to consign it to oblivion? Geoff  Who, me?  20:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see how having a recipe for a non-notable curry dish helps "balance the western-centricity of WP". -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 03:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Is this the proper spelling of it? Why doesn't Google Book search find anything with it and the word "curry" or "cook" added to it?  If its a real thing, it should be in countless cookbooks, which would make it notable.   D r e a m Focus  08:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for rescue by the Article Rescue Squadron.    Snotty Wong   talk 14:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete unless sources can be provided which are more than a recipe book. We need to be able to write about the significance of this dish with regard to its native culture, etc.  If such sources are found, then please disregard this !vote.  Snotty Wong   speak 23:39, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe if there is a way it can be expanded upon, maybe incorporating the history of Saakara, or perhaps a picture, or anything referring to its cultural roots, it can be tied into the original Oriya cuisine article. After researching it more, if there is no information on it to be found, then it should be deleted.  But it deserves a chance like any other small article. Jadex99 (talk) 04:08, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete I'm not finding anyhing that confirms this dish even exists, much less is notable. There are, of course, countless curry variations, some of which are unique to a certain restaurant, etc.  Saakara is occasionally a spelling for the area better known as Saqqara, but I'm not seeing anything that confirms this meaning. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  02:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see why M. Ritzman relisted this. Some of the rationales above are not useful for a closing administrator to make a decision.  "Keep if sources exist"/"Delete if sources don't exist" are basically re-statements of deletion policy that do nothing to determine the answer to the actual question that needs answering of whether sources exist.  Nor does "Other editors are going to have to do work, but I haven't.".  (Glane23, as an article rescuer with a long track record I tell you this:  What you are doing is not actual article rescue, at all.) I therefore add my research to that of Starblind.  I've looked, and cannot find any evidence of anything by this name.  Even the source cited doesn't actually document any such thing.  I can find exactly 13 words that appear to indicate that there's a rice dish called Sakara.  But they are bad English and don't convey enough information for me to even be able to create a stub, let alone indicate that there's scope for expansion of such a stub into a full article.  The article cites no (supporting) sources, and I can find no (usable) sources.  Delete.  Uncle G (talk) 14:05, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The name of the dish seems to be Pani Kakharu Sakara, as indicated in the source given, and asking Google about that term yields a number of hits from various recipe sites. The article seems to have been created with an alternative transliteration or perhaps misspelling in the title. I don't know Oriya or Oriya script so don't know what other alternative spellings might exist when it's transliterated. All that aside, recipe websites aren't really reliable sources, and recipes are not appropriate WP content in any case. I've tried to look at other Oriya food articles to see what kind of sources they have and perhaps find something about Pani Kakharu Sakara, but it's a bit depressing reading since most sources seem to be the same kind of recipe sites... there has to be better sources somewhere but I don't seem to be able to find them at the moment. All of which adds up to a weak delete without prejudice against recreation if and when sources are found. I strongly agree with what was said above about Western bias, but that doesn't mean articles can go in without any good sources. --bonadea contributions talk 11:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.