Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saang mein


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Saang mein
The result was   Withdrawn Non Admin Close  D u s t i SPEAK!! 00:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)



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unsourced stub articles about variant of Chinese noodle which I do not believe can be developed short of becoming a recipe book. Redirect reversed by editor who says it should stay because it is part of WP:Food and drink project. In the case of Jook-sing noodles, the source does not appear to be relevant, or even if it is (and I can't see it), the mention is trivial. Ohconfucius (talk) 14:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC) so you can potentially have 'saang mein' thin noodles and 'saang mein'thick noodles Ohconfucius (talk) 15:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and 'saang mein' means essentially any noodles which are of the 'uncooked' variety; thin noodles and thick noodles mean, well...
 * Keep - The above user has been explicitly nominating chinese food articles for deletions and redirects. The user above is NOT a member of Wikiproject food, and does not appear to show any interest in food.  Similar biased deletions were made here. Benjwong (talk) 14:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I may not be a member of the project, but I eat plenty of it ;-) and am a Prue Leith trained chef. What is more, as a few examples, I contributed to food articles here, here, here Ohconfucius (talk) 02:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - We aim to document all Chinese noodle dishes, with a main article, Chinese noodles, and articles for each noodle or noodle dish. Nominator does not properly make his/her case for why our users should not have access to articles about each Chinese noodle dish, for the cuisine eaten by the largest number of people in the world. Badagnani (talk) 16:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Stop trying to put up a smoke screen. Let's talk about your lack of arguments to keep these stubs. Ohconfucius (talk) 05:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Accusing other editors of trying to perpetrate a smoke screen is highly uncivil. Attempting to impoverish our content by selectively attempting to delete articles about varieties of Chinese noodles eaten by millions of Chinese in the most prevalent cuisine in the world, while failing to attempt to delete comparable noodle dishes from other cultures, does not do a service to our readers, who come from all cultures and will wish to know about all noodle dishes, regardless of culture. Please enrich Wikipedia rather than attempting (or insisting) to deplete it. Badagnani (talk) 05:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - gosh this AfD is getting a little bit too nasty for my liking. I just reminded Badagnani to be civil here and he's now returning the left hook. Please be reminded that just because you believe an article forms part of a wiki-project doesn't mean it's exempt from adhering to WP policies and guidelines. I've pointed out the problems of the articles, so if you care so much about not depleting it, I would suggest that you found some more text and sources to bolster the article instead of attacking me here in the AfD. Ohconfucius (talk) 16:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment, if you aim to document all noodle dishes, you are going to need better sources than the noodle's own package. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 22:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree, sources can be improved. But it isn't exactly the highest priority. So please understand. Benjwong (talk) 01:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - There are over 700 thousand hits for this variety of noodle. Spaghetti and meatballs gets about 200 thousand hits. Badagnani (talk) 05:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment counting Ghits is not research. Ohconfucius (talk) 16:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - The suggestion that the proposer has a bias against food, and the slight insinuation that he has a racist reason for this proposal, is nonsense. If the proposer has been nominating many Chinese food dishes, then this could be evidence that they don't assert notabilty, as well as being of poor quality. The reminder that Wikipedia should not become a recipe book is an important one. Apologies if such a comment is against wikiquette. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiyuvraj (talk • contribs) 21:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Something consumed by like a million (if not billion) people is probably notable.   So I don't know why it was challenged to begin with. Also I am in favor of you guys having pasta, Spaghetti, Spaghetti and meatballs, Macaroni, Macaroni and cheese. To me they are all different. Even if some people think they are the same. Benjwong (talk) 01:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I certainly see the point about the pasta variants - I did have a look before proposing this batch for AfD, but having weak pasta articles (actually not all of them are weak) is not an argument for having weak articles about 'Thin noodles' and 'Thick noodles'. However, there is something rather uncanny about the propensity of the creator of these articles to start off new articles with a single line, often without sources or assertions of notability instead of allowing development within a closer 'parent' topic until time is ripe for its own article, so please don't point the finger at me, but look in the mirror instead ;-). Ohconfucius (talk) 02:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment There is no rule that saids articles can only be created when the parent is expanded enough. By that definition everything in Category:Pasta should be deleted until the pasta article is long enough. That would not be right to the cuisine project folks. Benjwong (talk) 05:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename with sourcing, otherwise delete. The articles are misnamed as if Chinese people eat all "thick noodles" and "thin noodles" in the world. Even if the naming are based on its Chinese characters, they should add "Chinese" as the distinguishing prefix to each name for English usage. The image of thick noodles looks like a variant of udon (of course Japanese one) and the thin noodles is like some sort of Italian pasta. Besides, the poor sourcing on the article is a big problem.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  21:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdraw In response to Raymie Humbert (TrackerTV)'s suggestion in another AfD, and as a gesture of goodwill, I would withdraw this nomination. I would ask the creator and other staunch defender(s) of the article to please fix the problems of the article as agreed by most who have commented or 'voted' here, instead of indulging in attempts at character assassination to defend the article. Looking back, I guess I could have been more communicative before moving an AfD. I really object to being portrayed as the racist bogeyman and philistine in this. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we get administrators to remove these tags then? Benjwong (talk) 03:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.