Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saaya Irie (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Michig (talk) 13:01, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Saaya Irie
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I tried to edit this page and add more current information but I feel its useless as this is just a model's page. The page hasn't been updated in over a year with the only mention being she had some virus. While Saaya is 21 years old and is still a model/cosplayer does that really warrant a wikipedia article? Wouldn't we have to make a page for every instagram model then? I see this was marked for deletion quite some time ago I sadly felt only right in adding a second nomination. WhatUsername?111 (talk) 06:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I also took out some clutter that was in the "DVD" and "book" section that seemed more like an advertisement. So that's when I began to question the articles true merits. While I'm a fan of her 2012 photobook "airen" I still don't see why she has a page. I had a previous wikipedia login before but I couldn't remember what it was. I use to edit and add refrences and citations to rap articles before. So I created another wikipedia account.WhatUsername?111 (talk) 06:39, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Reasons for deletions are; 4. Advertising or other spam without any relevant or encyclopedic content (but not an article about an advertising-related subject), 8. Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:N, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP and so forth), and 14. Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia. WhatUsername?111 (talk) 06:58, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Of course I see mentions on this page of her being a voice actress and having three or four singles as far as her music career goes but that didn't materialize into anything noteworthy afterwards. Also bit roles in movies don't count as I don't think a second long cameo means anything. I think that was added into the article a few years ago to pad the page and not get deleted the first time WhatUsername?111 (talk) 07:17, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The nominator, which is an WP:SPA, does not present an actual argument for deletion. The article is far from an advertisement or spam, nor is the subject "not suitable for an encyclopedia". The individual clearly passes WP:ENT for having significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions (including sound tracks). It does, however, need serious sourcing. The Japanese version of the article has 19 sources listed. —Farix (t &#124; c) 11:03, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  Human 3015   TALK    14:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  Human 3015   TALK    14:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 00:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete unless better sourcing can be provided. I tend to agree that the nomination is a little lackluster, but that doesn't change the fact that there are no viable WP:Reliable sources establishing notability or confirming the various claims found in the article.  Of the five references utilized in the page, only the Guardian article meets our WP:RS standards and it does not establish anything about this young woman's career, outside the fact that she is a model. In fact, the article refers to her by name only twice: "The two women – Saaya, 20, and Eri Aoki, 25 – were sent to Yoyogi park in August for the Saturday variety show on which they appear, the Nikkan Sports said." and "Saaya, who has appeared regularly in Japanese Playboy, blogged about her high fever last Wednesday before news of the dengue outbreak spread.".  The piece is all of ten sentences long in total.  On the whole, I am afraid I have to agree, there is not nearly enough here to meet the standards of WP:GNG or any of the other notability criteria which might be applied to Ms. Irie at this time.  S n o w  let's rap 07:26, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. Given the absence of any in-depth reliable coverage other than just name mentions, it's hard to see how this person even satisfies the basic notability criteria. No evidence of any significant film roles, either. --DAJF (talk) 09:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment A concerted search of Japanese sources is needed. Here are just a few of those available:, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , etc. There seems to be a lot out there. Michitaro (talk) 14:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * What is needed, regardless of language, our refs which satisfy our WP:reliable sources policy. Most of those links do not, for various reasons -- indeed, we could find plenty of like sources in English that unfortunately suffer the same shortcoming.  Of those that might qualify as RS, most all of them are concerned solely with the Dengue fever outbreak, and although they might be well positioned to source the fact that a model contracted the disease at a public event for any article concerned with that outbreak, they don't go very far towards establishing Ms. Irie's notability.


 * However, all of that said, the Sankei Shimbun article is certainly RS, and it does go into "some" detail about the model. It's really more of a promotional piece for a particular work though, and light on background about her, so it's an ambiguous case at best. If our editors feel that one such source is sufficient to satisfy notability until the article can be better fleshed out, then so be it.  But I think it would be a mistake for any editor to cast their !vote here on the assumption that there is abundant appropriate reference in Japanese sources based solely on the number of links presented and the fact that they cannot interpret the value of those Japanese sources; most of them just won't do for our needs here.  S n o w  let's rap 21:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I would disagree these are not reliable sources. They are all from major Japanese newspapers, news agencies, and entertainment news sources and I and many others have not only used these sources on many Wikipedia articles, but I have used them on dozens and dozens of AfDs with no complaint. Please state your reasons for rejecting these as unreliable sources. We can argue about the specific content of the articles (I just searched for a couple minutes and put down what I came up with), but I never cite articles in an AfD that I do not think came from a reliable news agency. I might add that since I only searched for a few minutes, there are likely to be many more. Again, a concerted search is necessary. Michitaro (talk) 18:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 00:29, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Should not be listed as a voice actress, as GamePlaza Haruka only lists one role under Saaya 紗綾 and none under Saaya Irie.. Anime News Network shows one live-action role (okay it's for Hell Girl) and one episodic appearance, which is also not enough to call her a voice actress. However, she does have notable acting roles as listed in ANN article.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep; there are reliable sources. The Oricon sources provided by Michitaro in particular; Oricon is pretty much the equivalent in Japan of Variety or Billboard in the US.  Unsurprisingly, most sources will be in the Japanese language, which makes it difficult for non-Japanese speakers to confidently edit the article.  Nonetheless, the sources are there.


 * I note that she's a lead in a few of her film credits; but not speaking Japanese myself, it's hard for me to gauge the importance of that.


 * That being said, yes, some cleanup would be a good idea. I note that a lot of the ELs don't satisfy WP:EL and will probably trim some of those if no one beats me to it.  TJRC (talk) 02:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.