Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sababa - Northern Souls


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  21:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Sababa - Northern Souls

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Disputed Prod. Nomination was because '''Very few independent reliable sources available. Yes the piece exists but it is highly debatable it meets WP:GNG. The creator of the article disputed Prod saying that The newspaper articles constitute independent sources, and don't express any promotional material or material written by the subject of the page.''' Blethering   Scot  21:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The sources in the article are no where near strong enough to meet WP:GNG. I stand by my original statement, just because this exists does not make it notable. Doing google searches still do not find many more reliable sources in the mainstream press. Blethering  Scot  21:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Really no need to embolden your deletion rationale.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 06:06, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The bold parts are the rational and the users objections to the prod. Why there may be no need, equally there is no harm. Blethering  Scot  21:07, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I would suggest that, even though there aren't very many sources for different information from impartial sources, the show has plans to expand to larger venues and possibly tour, so there will be more and more available. It makes sense to leave the article as-is and allow it to expand as the topic does. Rather than delete it, only to have to recreate it at a later date. fopnor 21:52, 14 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fopnor (talk • contribs)
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 * Delete There are no proper independant newspaper articles about the piece, despite author claiming it. Local news site, which looks like PR article and notes in tourist site. Unfortunately, not notable enough. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete. The objections made by Blethering Scot in Tel Aviv & Arthistorian1977l show very limited understanding of the British Press - A the end of this I have listed some of the many outlets who have runindependent editorials based on independent journalists own intitiative and professional interest in this very important production. This production has excited such wide spread and supportive comment by independent journalists because it is the first entirely positive Arts event to promote cohesion and positive links between Britain's Jewish & Muslim Communities. Blethering Scot sahould understand the vital importance of such initiatives at a time when there is so much bloodshed between the communities in his own country of Israel. These are the current independent news outlets that have featured stories about "Sababa-Northern Souls":  “The Manchester Evening News” ran a half page article in print and online. Plus other large features were run in  “The Macclesfield Express”, “The Chorley Guardian”, “Visit Manchester”,  “The Church of England News”, ”Community Index”, “Asian Image”, “Jewish Telegraph”,    “Jewish Chronicle”, “City Muslims” “The List” Street life – South Manchester”,  “Prestwich & Whitefield Guide”. There were also extensive interviews  on Radio Manchester on 4 separate shows. Plus half an hour on Chorley FM and big feature on “That’s Manchester TV News”  plus International News Channels were supplied by video & pictures on the Opening night by “Daily Jang” reporters. Does Arthistorian1977 recognise at least some of these news outlets? AFter all they have circulations in excess of millions in the North West!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.62.37 (talk) 18:13, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * First of all, none of those sources show enough strength that this article meets GNG. If this was a notable production I would be expecting reviews from sources such as, The Guardian, The Independent, The Telegraph all of which do regional reviews, none exist for this production. I mean the critical reception section opens with The original performance was reviewed by Quietmandave, and was very well received. What kind of authority on theatre is Quietmandave? Whilst the production should be praised for the issues it raises, thats not enough to make it widely notable. This article should be deleted. Blethering  Scot  20:25, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - while the play seems to be an interesting concept, it does not appear to meet WP:GNG criteria (I could not find criteria specifically for the theater). Perhaps the article is early and the author should userfy it until it achieves notability.--Rpclod (talk) 03:04, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 *  DO NOT DELETE .  The main objection seems to be again the variety of Media comment. BlethringScot ("Blether" a Scots word defined as   "talk long-windedly without making very much sense"!) suggests that papers with an International presence like “The Guardian” should have run articles on the important original new production: “Sababa- Northern Souls”.  However, this is naïve and fails to understand the nature of the international Press. He does not appreciate that newspapers at that international level only write about established topics of news. What is  failed to grasp is that the story of Sababa is now firmly established in major regional papers and in distinguished journals of record (175 years of publishing) like “The Jewish Chronicle” This in itself makes the subject of Sababa worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.
 * Also, as an immediately topical reference point, Wikipedia has a reputation and duty to reflect the zeitgeist - matters that are important to people now – it is obvious from the long list of publications and news outlets that have reported on Sababa that the production is of great importance to them – especially at a time of terrible strife and blood letting in Israel & Palestine and the recent events of anti-semitism in France. By keeping this article Wikipedia is providing valuable reference to an initiative that is of great importance to the millions of readers of  the newspapers, radio and journals that have been enumerated as publishers of  articles about  the show.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.62.37 (talk) 11:05, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Please desist from making personal attacks and focus on content. Blethering  Scot  21:07, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably I am bad in searching, but I didn't find any mention of the play in Jewish Chronicle. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 11:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * BEFORE finds that it was actually Jewish Telegraph  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 06:06, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Do No Delete Arthiistorian1977 - Sadly not everything is online - if being online is your criteria for acceptable sources then you have a severely limited outlook for quality information.You are in Israel - The Jewish Chronicle should be available in a library.It makes more sense for you to be fully committed and rigorous in sourcing the references by looking at a hard copy then simply whining about not having an easy Google search! Remember this Musical excites considerable positive support where it matters- amongst British people.It is also the first serious attempt to bring Jews & Muslims together in Theatre terms.So it is important that your objections are serious and considered.You have presumably seen the online references in The Jewish Telegraph - but oddly fail to refer to them.Let's have more support for Peace and togetherness less negative and unhelpful destructive bleating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.232.131 (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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 * NOTE this is NOT a film, but is rather a stage play written of in Evening News and Asian Image among others. So we thus modify our searches accordingly and look to Notability (events).
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 * That said, Delete as while topic of this new play has a great deal of local coverage, it really makes no splash outside of Manchester. If there is ever an article on playwrite Nakib Narat, this can certainly be spoken of and sourced therein.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 06:06, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions.  Nordic   Dragon  13:38, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


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