Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabato's Crystal Ball


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Larry Sabato, with the option of merging encyclopedic content. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Sabato's Crystal Ball

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I recently nominated this article for WP:PROD. User:Elli has requested that this proceed by AfD instead, so here is the rationale I provided on PROD:

Per WP:CORPDEPTH, there does not appear to be any significant coverage of this organization. All references appear to be trivial (i.e., to their predictions, rather than to coverage of the organization qua organization). (See also User:NewsAndEventsGuy's post here).

I look forward to your thoughts. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:48, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree with CORPDEPTH being the relevant standard here; this article is about a website so Notability (web) (and particularly WP:WEBCRIT) is more relevant. Not sure if this meets that, though, and I don't have the time to conduct a search for sources right now. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 01:59, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think CORPDEPTH applies because they operate out of the University of Virginia and have employees.
 * But, even if NWEB does apply, I think the article fails because it's WP:INHERENTWEB for the reason stated above: it's oft-cited, but WP:ENN and I can't find any WP:SIGCOV. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's relatively difficult to find sources about media itself. Given how frequently-cited this is; it's worth considering whether deletion of the page really serves the project, even if it doesn't strictly meet our notability guidelines (which are only guidelines, not policy that must be strictly enforced). This is linked in many articles as a source of a rating for a particular race; and clearly that usage is endorsed by many news outlets such as the New York Times frequently citing them for prognostication. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 03:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: News media, Politics, Websites,  and Virginia.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep There are definitely news articles covering the site's ratings but not sure they rise to the level of GNG:, , , . As Elli notes, the site is very frequently cited, so I am sure there are other examples. Not opposed to merging with Larry Sabato either. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion RE merging with Larry Sabato. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect: I think a better target is the parent organization, University of Virginia Center for Politics, rather than to Sabato himself, as there is much more room for expansion than in a biographical article. Not in favor of merging as there is nothing currently in the article to merge; the article's current state is a biennual ticker of how right they are, not any meaningful critical coverage of the organization itself. Curbon7 (talk) 02:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that some of the content might be relevant; for example, the most recent predictions might meet meet notability criteria. In any event, if this goes the redirect route, I think the newsletter is probably more notable for being Sabato's means of disseminating election prognostications, not for its affiliation with the Center. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Larry_Sabato#Sabato's Crystal Ball where information about the newsletter is found. I do agree with others that there does not seem to be much substantive coverage about the newsletter outside of the predictions. --Enos733 (talk) 05:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Larry_Sabato#Sabato's Crystal Ball, and merge any relevant content there. I agree with others who've commented above that the subject falls short of the notability bar needed to warrant a standalone page, and that the section in Sabato article is the most appropriate target for redirecting. Sal2100 (talk) 19:05, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Selectively Merge. It's not notable, but there is some information that should be merged back. Bearian (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.