Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sablé-sur-Sarthe hostage crisis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Rename to Colbert de Torcy (secondary school) and turn article into one about school rather than event. The event itself is of borderline notability, even adjusting for WP:BIAS, but the school itself can be included as per WP:NHS and the suggestion of an editor in the discussion, under WP:ATD. Cerejota (talk) 07:17, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Sablé-sur-Sarthe hostage crisis

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Pointless news story Alsop38 (talk) 23:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. News blip fails WP:EVENT. Intense news coverage in anticipation of another Dunblane massacre, then after two days... nothing. Location (talk) 02:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - got alot of media attention at the time. ofcourse a hostage situation from a couple of years ago wont get alot of media atention after sometime. but that doesnt change the fact that it got alot of attention at the time. I say Keep.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: What I can see this article is in need of an update and expansion. not deletion. always consider the better alternatives before nominating for deletion.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Switching google to French and searching seems to find lots of sources. There are also lots of sources in the French wikipedia edition of this page. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:02, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:Event. I see virtually no significant news coverage in English speaking sources.  It does not meet the specific event/crime criteria needed, such as WP:INDEPTH or WP:EFFECT.  Bottom line:  this is a run-of-the mill crime in non-English-speaking country, with virtually no reporting in the English speaking world.  --Noleander (talk) 03:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete because the event itself is non-notable per WP:EVENT. It has no enduring historical significance.  In that, I agree with Noleander.  However, I disagree that it is the lack of English language sources that is the problem here.  After all, this is the online English language encyclopedia of the entire world.  It is not the online encyclopedia of the English speaking world.  This is a critical distinction.  We ought to strive to cover everything notable, no matter the language spoken by the participants or the reporters or the authors of reliable sources describing the topic.  English language sources are preferred when a range of sources are available.  However, when sources are limited but solid, sources in any language are acceptable.  This, in my opinion, is a bedrock principle of this encyclopedia.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  05:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep or Rename to Colbert de Torcy (secondary school) None of the three arguments to delete consider WP:ATD alternatives.  Questions about 1EVENT have no standing if this material is part of an article about the secondary school.  We have enough material from the BBC news story to make an article about the secondary school.  We would just need to rename the article, add a hatnote to the existing Colbert de Torcy article, and add the lede:
 * Colbert de Torcy is a secondary school in Sable-sur-Sarthe, France.
 * And then add a new section with the existing article and reference. Unscintillating (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.