Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabor (Tarzan)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Tarzan. I find a clear consensus based on policy-based rationales, to not sustain this as a standalone article. Varying views as to whether a merge is the right option or not, so rather than formalising a set action by closing as 'merge', closing as 'redirect' and normal editorial process can rescue content from behind the redirect and incorporate into the main article if there is a desire to do so. Daniel (talk) 00:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Sabor (Tarzan)

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Unnotable fictional character, no sources found in WP:BEFORE, article is almost entirely unsourced. (Oinkers42) (talk) 00:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
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 * Oppose deletion. Though I would, wouldn't I, having originated the article. Unnotability is debatable, and plainly a matter of opinion. Claim that article is almost entirely unsourced is false on its face; five sources listed in the references support points made in the text. Other points do remain unreferenced, and for these sources would certainly be useful. But while one can debate the sufficiency, quality or suitability of the sources, the claim as made is simply wrong. BPK (talk) 04:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose deletion It is easy to find more detailed sources such as this. The topic is therefore notable and our policy WP:ATD therefore applies, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 09:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This seems like a plot summary, but if I missed something more analytical, don't hesitate to provide a quotation. TIA. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  05:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep, per above Sahaib (talk) 11:37, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:KEEPER is not a valid contribution to AfD.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The article has WP:SUSTAINED coverage over a long period of time. Sahaib3005 (talk) 20:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to Tarzan (redirect is preferred as this can be a searchable term). As written, the article shows no evidence of notability. BEFORE shows a bit, but not much goes beyond a plot summary, and WP:SIGCOV is lacking. "killing wild animals like Sabor provides Tarzan with material demonstrations of his superiority" is the best I see. Coverage is limited to plot summaries and one-sentence statements like this (ex. Tarzan shows how mighty he is when he kills Sabor". Sabor is a very minor device in the book and I don't see how this fictional animal deserves its own article, given the sources I am seeing (or mostly, not seeing). At best, she can be mentioned in the article about Tarzan, with a footnote or two, in the same form like the sources found - a sentence that mentions Tarzan killed her, which shows his maturing as a warrior or such. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per the information provided above by, , and who are right about their claims. --Rtkat3 (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, a google scholar search shows many academic sources referring to Sabor in Tarzan. Pikavoom (talk) 05:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sigh. I looked at the and found nothing substantial several days before you posted. Did you even read my post just above yours? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:30, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge into Tarzan. If I understand the story correctly, Tarzan's dominance over Sabor is a key point in the Tarzan mythos, but most of what I find in a search for references is "in-universe" articles in Tarzan-related websites. We clearly need to mention Sabor, but without stronger referencing I'm reluctant to retain this separate article. RomanSpa (talk) 07:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Tarzan. The current sources are not substantial enough to keep this as a standalone article. TTN (talk) 00:04, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with Tarzan: is not notable character. No reason to create a fan driven universe here at WP. Kolma8 (talk) 17:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Tarzan. No solid sources to incorporate into the article have been raised in this discussion (passing mentions in stuff on Google Scholar doesn't help), and sources on the article are either primary sources, or listicle-style articles with titles like "15 classic Disney film death scenes that destroyed your childhood", which doesn't seem like a very solid source. Waxworker (talk) 23:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.