Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabri Kaliç


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Even though I commented, I haven't !voted. The sources found by User:GGT has convinced everyone who participated in this discussion that the subject meets GNG, and the nomination was withdrawn by the nominator with Special:Diff/1069651148. (non-admin closure) ~Styyx Talk? ^-^ 11:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Sabri Kaliç

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Does not meet WP:GNG. REFBOMB with book selling sites. Kadıköylü (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk | contribs) 04:15, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Kadıköylü (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Kadıköylü (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Kadıköylü (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Deleted on Turkish Wikipedia. Kind regards.--Kadıköylü (talk) 17:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I am very, very hesitant to support deletion of someone who's obviously had a long career as an artist and a translator, and has managed to gain some attention in English sources. It's thin, at least in English, and this needs attention from a Wikipedia editor of good faith who knows Turkish. I removed the bookspam, BTW. Drmies (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't find any significant coverage in Turkish, sources or books, about this person apart from whatever is already in this article. I'm not able to access the books cited, so I won't make a comment on them. The first source from nediyor is pretty much a copy of the Turkish WP article (which existed back then) with a sentence being added that "the famous director and writer has passed away after suffering from a heart attack", also the reliability of this source is questionable, given that according to this piece by Hürriyet, the site filters stuff based on Tweets, which confuses me as to who is actually writing it (no author listed in the source, which makes it more difficult). The two sources of Kisafilm.com only mention him being the director of dozens of non-notable films, and it's also concerning that the 1997-98 one cites Ekşi Sözlük (simply put: Turkish 4chan, in which a so-called "entry" exists about thousands of things, even about me) as one of the used sources. The whole Sinemapro.com site is a permanent deadlink, and a Turkish search results in no mention of the website, meaning that I can't tell you anything about their credibility. A search for the author of the source doesn't result in anything apart from Wikipedia mirrors about Sabri Kaliç. The final source is from the Turkish government where they announce that they will pay money to ~65 projects varying from 2.400 Turkish Liras to 42.000TL, with a mention of Sabri Kaliç about his project getting a fund of 10.000TL. This is what I come up with, unless of course you don't think I'm in good faith. ~Styyx Talk? ^-^ 15:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , at least you're more interesting than me: "böyle bir şey yok." Thanks for plowing through those sources and commenting on them. But here's the thing: I would have hoped that the book citation would be an indication that there is more material--books are sort of the highest form, and usually indicate there's other material. If there isn't, that's too bad. And I'll hasten to add that Cambridge Scholars Publishing has nothing to do with Cambridge UP or whatever, and is regarded by more than one of my colleagues as a misleading name. In this case, the book is a collection of conference proceedings, which is something, but not a lot. Meaning, the book as a whole is edited, but such proceedings rarely go through the same kind of review process that most edited collections (and monographs) go through. What that means here is that it won't take much for a person or a book or a theory to appear in a book, since the bar for conference presentations is much lower than for journal publications--but I had hope. But thanks again for looking, and for commenting here.
 * 1, 3, 6, 7 are not reliable sources.--Kadıköylü (talk) 14:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , Could you explain what you are implying?--Kadıköylü (talk) 16:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Kadıköylü, I am not implying anything. I don't dispute your comment on sources 1, 3, 6, 7, BTW. Drmies (talk) 17:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Keep The only recognition this person seems to have garnered (aside from the trivia entry of a 1-frame "film") is as a translator and reference #2 appears to be the only significant, independent, reliable coverage of that. This is, unfortunately, not enough to demonstrate notability. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 21:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * After looking through 's refernces, there is enough evidence that this person passes GNG. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 18:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: GGT has provided some potentially good sources. Further time is needed to give other contributors a chance to respond to them. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SpinningSpark 16:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. 's suspicions are correct and it is very difficult to locate sources for such biographies even with the knowledge of Turkish, in my experience. This is his profile on TEİS, a website that we would normally accept as reliable on tr.wiki, although I must say that their quality has been recently getting sloppy and this particular one is of questionable quality, citing some unreliable sources. It does, nonetheless, confirm, in combination with this page (again not a particularly reliable source) that this person had an article on them in the 2001 and 2003 editions of Tanzimat'tan Bugüne Edebiyatçılar Ansiklopedisi. A Google Books search also provides a match to confirm. Unfortunately, only the 2010 edition of this encyclopedia is available online and Kaliç's biography is not there, so I would presume that it was removed for the 2010 edition. On top of this, here is a posthumous tribute to Kaliç in a national newspaper, and this is another one and this is another one. Here is another article about him. Here is an article on his winning an award. This article has a paragraph about his work. This thesis discusses his book at length. As such he appears to clear GNG even with the sources available online, and I would expect more to be available offline, given his rather niche career in experimental cinema. --GGT (talk) 01:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There are a few hits in GScholar, in Turkish. Would require someone fluent to evaluate them. Oaktree b (talk) 19:46, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Kadıköylü (talk) 10:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Spinningspark, You can close the discussion. Regards, Kadıköylü (talk) 10:47, 3 February 2022 (UTC)


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