Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabrina Johnson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Gang bang pornography. This is her only claim to an achievement and it is a plausible search item. The subject fails WP:PORNBIO and WP:GNG can not be passed solely by in-trade publications. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 15:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Sabrina Johnson

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Fails PORNBIO and GNG Spartaz Humbug! 15:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  16:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 17:58, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes WP:GNG. AVN wrote several articles about her (,, , , , & ) which cover her in the context of three different events (1. her "Gang Bang 2000" record, 2. being quarantined and testing negative for HIV after working with a performer who tested positive after their shoot, and 3. directing for Elegant Angel). Rebecca1990 (talk) 19:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - Every single one of "Rebecca1990"'s links is to a press release, not an actual reliable source. Press releases do not count towards notability, per WP:GNG. Tarc (talk) 00:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What evidence do you have that they are press releases especially the one where she was quarantined and then tested negative for HIV? It's a bizarre reason to do one. Morbidthoughts (talk) 03:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Because "Adult Video News" is not an actual news site, but rather a trade magazine for the porn industry. We wouldn't...or certainly shouldn't, if it is going on...use a Billboard blurb about a band to establish the band's notability.  Questionable sources should be avoided when determining notability, as their are not sufficiently independent of the subject. Tarc (talk) 01:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * AVN is both an actual news site and a reliable source and none of the sources I provided are press releases. They have authors. Press releases do not have authors and are labeled as "company news" by AVN. And before you accuse me of being a publicist (like you always do in discussions) for Johnson, let me point out that she retired 13 years ago. Rebecca1990 (talk) 03:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * AVN is not sufficiently independent from the subjects they cover, it does not meet the general notability guide; porn actors and porn "news" sites are one large circle jerk (pun intended) of self-promotion. Porn actors are held to the same standard that any other person's Wikipedia bio is held to, so, find solid reliable sources that cover these people, otherwise it heads to deletion. Tarc (talk) 04:21, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tarc, do you hold the same opinion about a site like ESPN.com, which reports on the industry that they broadcast? I don't know if I agree with your analysis on Billboard even. Morbidthoughts (talk) 04:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point, but ESPN has a history of bias accusations, so I'd be leery of relying solely on it for sourcing a story, particularly a contentious one. Another analogy would be to consider NESN and its reporting on the Boston Red Sox and Boston Bruins, who own an 85% and 15% stake in the channel, respectively; too close to the source.  If gangbanging her heart out to beat a record or being quarantined for an HIV scare were legitimate public interest stories, then surely one can find some other overage of them other than AVN?  Usually when we quibble about thes esorts of links, they are at least to interviews that lend a semblance of notability by discussing the subject herself to a degree of depth, but with this person it's just "person appeared in this film", "person appeared with this porn actor", and so on.  Perhaps we need a guideline like WP:GEOSCOPE, we'll call it WP:PORNSCOPE.  In a nutshell; if a porn tartlet falls off the bed in the middle of a 10-way midget clown shoot and no reliable source is around to hear, did she make a sound? Tarc (talk) 12:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as above. Subtropical -man   talk   (en-2)   16:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * As usual, a vapid "vote". Tarc (talk) 01:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge and then Redirect to Gang_bang_pornography - Without doing a whole lot of research myself, the subject here appears to be most notable for a dubious attempt to break a gang bang record in the past. Guy1890 (talk) 04:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Damnit if only looks could be grant a pass, Anyway Fails Pornbio & GNG - All those cites listed are press releases which in terms of WP are pretty shit!, Since I can't find bugger all If anyone can find something I'd keep but as it stands it'll have to be delete. – Davey 2010 Talk 04:25, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.