Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabrina satana musician


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is clear. BD2412 T 03:03, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Sabrina satana musician

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I can't find evidence that she's independently notable from the band. Originally proded by with the following rationale: "No signs of sufficient notability per WP:BIO or WP:NMUSIC nor WP:GNG". Deproded by article creator. also commented, "I do agree that this article should be deleted". (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:05, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * This is GArth Chesney, the creator of the Sabrina Satana page: Even if she were not independently noteworthy from the band, she would be just as suited to have her own page as Axl Rose is, for he is not noteworthy apart from the band, and he has his own page. However, having those references I cited, which include the IMDB page and an interview on national t.v. (Fox News) about the famous incident in California, I think Van Tassell easily rises to the level of relevance that is reason for a Wikipedia article to exist about a person.  Furthermore, the Jungle Key site I cited seems to be the only one that connects the two individuals as being one in the same, which brings me to another reason to have a Wikipedia page for her: Hardly any of her acting fans or people reading the news story about the fecal terror incident are aware that she is Sabrina Satana, and hardly any EHC fans are aware of her Heidi Van Tassell persona (though many are aware of both personas, not knowing they are one and the same person).  So, such a clarification is absolutely relevant to the historical record, being that both personas are public figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garthchesney (talk • contribs)
 * Delete - does not appear to be notable independent of being a back-up singer/dancer for The Electric Hellfire Club, no solo work credits to be found... fails WP:BANDMEMBER, WP:NACTOR, WP:BLP1E (or WP:VICTIM, RE: the fecal event), and with the unique article title, this is not even a probable enough search term for a redirect to the band... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Further - even the Fox News article cited makes no mention of her being notable in any way... it just says "California woman" and her name, no mention of the band, no acting career, no background, just a random woman that was assaulted... - Adolphus79 (talk) 06:31, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * Procedural Note - There was once an article called simply Sabrina Satana which was redirected to Electric Hellfire Club way back in 2010 (^history). Before that it was just a paragraph announcing her existence. The current article, in addition to being incorrectly titled, is basically the same old paragraph with a new sentence on her unfortunate incident in 2019. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 12:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Her true name has already been redirected to Electric Hellfire Club (see comment above) and nobody will search for this contorted version. She is not notable outside of the band, and the 2019 incident is unfortunate but not notable per WP:BLP1E or WP:VICTIM. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 12:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per all of the above and WP:NOTNEWS, WP:BLP, it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment and WP:AVOIDVICTIM, Wikipedia editors must not act, intentionally or otherwise, in a way that amounts to participating in or prolonging the victimization. Beccaynr (talk) 13:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom (thanks, almost forgot it) - no signs of sufficient notability per WP:BIO or WP:NMUSIC nor WP:GNG CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:00, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment and WP:AVOIDVICTIM, Wikipedia editors must not act, intentionally or otherwise, in a way that amounts to participating in or prolonging the victimization." No, that's what police reports and voluntary interviews on national t.v. do.  By producing an article that cites information that a person has broadcast as loudly as she could, Wikipedia is not "prolonging the victimization" or any of that other nonsense mentioned.  These aren't "claims about peoples' lives"; rather, these are facts, documented on everything from the heavy metal encyclopedia (Metal Archives) to police reports to national news reports by reputable media and press outlets that the victim voluntarily spoke to, while advertising her name far and wide.  To this day, she continues to share articles about it on her facebook page. on which, again, she goes by her real name, which is the same name she uses as a screenwriter, actress, and victim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by  Garthchesney  (talk • contribs) 02:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case it looks like she is sensationalizing her own victimhood and trying to turn sympathy for her unfortunate incident into promotion for a career that is largely unknown otherwise. When Wikipedia tries to avoid sensationalism, it makes no difference if someone is sensationalizing themselves. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 16:57, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Clearly fails WP:GNG. Zero results in Google News. Two of the three sources on the page don't mention her. – Novem Linguae (talk) 20:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails all notability guidelines, also not a plausible search term so no appoint in even redirecting Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.