Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabur Khan (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 18:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Sabur Khan
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Subject fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. His association with the university is not sufficient for qualification under WP:PROF. Does not appear to have recieved any awards Wikipedia would consider significant or contributed anything that could reasonably be said to form part of "the enduring historical record". Along with Daffodil International University this article is little more than a building block of a walled garden for an individual desperately in need of validation. Which is exactly what was said the last time we deleted this in 2012. Oh, did I mention the page creator works for his company? Bellerophon talk to me  16:57, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Speedy Delete. Do not pass WP:GNG. NOTE: This article was AfDed before with a decision of delete (closed on Aug 18, 2012). Immediately after that, this article was recreated on Aug 22, 2012 by the same original author (Alam5131). On Mar 23, 2013 a history indicates it was moved from AfC to article space with a strange note: "Well reference and I personally know this person." by . Alam5131's contribution record indicates that his only contribution is about Sabur Khan and his company Daffodil Group (owner of Daffodil International University). could be able provide some insight on this article. –  nafSadh  did say 05:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment It was deleted again in May 2013 as a recreation of a page deleted at AfD, but in July this year User:CT Cooper restored it. Dougweller (talk) 19:37, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Really interesting. Several facts are strange: (1) AfD decided delete on Aug 2012 and it took affect 9 months later on May 2013!. (2) an AfC was there on Mar 2013. (3) There are couple of major contributors Alam5131 and Wikiwebsbd -- both of which edits on Wikipedia exclusively about Daffodil group and Sabur Khan. There is a suspicion of sock or meat puppet.
 * If there was a AfC discussion and/or there was rationale for restoring it would be helpful if we could find those. –  nafSadh did say 20:58, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * correction: "exclusively" –  nafSadh did say 09:47, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've just looked at the logs and the title in question has twice been deleted and twice salted before CT Cooper restored it. Deletion review was requested in Deletion review/Log/2013 May 11 and the decision to delete was upheld. I am at a loss to understand why it was restored. No rationale was given in the log. Looking at the page history, numerous spin-off titles have been used to try and shoehorn this thing back into article space. As far as AfC goes, the only moves from AfC space have been conducted by Alam5131. Indeed, User:Alam5131 has invested considerable effort in circumventing process or otherwise gaming the system to keep the article alive; so much so that his actions strike me as unambiguously disingenuous. Bellerophon talk to me  23:36, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thus it is evident that, this article is wrongfully restored and this AfD can be closed delete. I am not here to judge but admins are human too, thus are not free from err; it could have been a mistake from the admin restoring it. –  nafSadh  did say 08:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I posit actions of and  (possible ?puppet?) should be reviewed. –  nafSadh  did say 08:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Neither account has edited in over a year, so an AN/I discussion would likely be a waste of time. I haven't looked into the accounts closely enough to see if there is enough for checkuser action. Although, there are some interesting edits to another user page . Bellerophon talk to me  12:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is funny! He awarded himself a barnstar. is probably another related user. –  nafSadh  did say 03:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - Firstly I've never undeleted, unprotected, or re-created this article. All I did was restore the deleted history behind the re-created article. This is a neutral action and is permissible if the history is free of copyright violations and biographies of living persons violations, which this page history was. This was too long ago for me to remember why I didn't just delete the re-created article at the time, but it was probably just an oversight. I don't know what happened to the create protection, but the page history and logs suggest I didn't remove it. As for the substance of the AfD, I'm leaving it open for further input, but I agree that this person is probably not notable. Daffodil International University is for another discussion, and in my view it probably does meet WP:N, but has also been subject to a lot of problematic editing, which I have been keeping an eye on. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 17:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * With that information now known, it would appear the page was restored by way of page move carried out by an admin in this edit. Quite clearly performed in good faith to resolve a WP:COMMONNAME problem. In so doing, the create protection was circumvented rather than removed. Thanks for helping to clear that one up. Bellerophon talk to me  18:26, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like some admins have been deceived! –  nafSadh did say 03:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete and re-salt. Notability (per WP:GNG) still not evident. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO, winner of some significant awards,, , . -- Zayeem  (talk) 09:28, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * World Quality Congress, Global Award for Outstanding Contribution to Quality & Leadership, Asia’s Most Inspiring Nation Builder Award. Hmmm, yeah, really noteworthy awards... Or perhaps, the kind of new-agey businessman slap-on-the-back awards that confer precisely nothing in the way of notability. Bellerophon talk to me  18:11, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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