Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sacate, Arizona


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 03:38, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Sacate, Arizona

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Here we come upon a pair of problem places which I believe are in some sense the same place, the other being Sacate Village, Arizona. I was inclined at first to treat them in a single nomination, but the articles themselves present different issues and I wanted to avoid a do-over.

The problem in this case is that we have an entry from what appears to be an NIST gazetteer which I cannot correlate with the maps. The topos go back to 1915 in this case, and there is no sign of a rail line anywhere near; in fact, there isn't a sign of anything near. The name just appears on the maps in 2014, and that's that. The thing is, there seems to be testimony to suggest that there was some settlement or some area called "Sacate" or "Sacate Village"; the Old Cowboy Cemetery is labelled "Sacate Cemetery" on GMaps, and there are the ruins of a St. Francis Borgia Church said to have been at Sacate Village, but I cannot determine where this is/was. Obviously if someone can sort this out and establish a coherent story about a definite settlement, we could have an article, but at this point I just don't see it. Mangoe (talk) 05:10, 28 December 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: I'd like to see other editor review the recent sources that have come to light in this deletion discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 07:32, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The article says this place is also called Sacaton, which makes me wonder if this is just an erroneous duplicate of the actually prominent Sacaton, Arizona. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I wodered that too, but as mentioned above at the entry for "Secate Village", this mentions it as a train stop four miles away. I think. Elinruby (talk) 08:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - this, this, this, and this indicate it was a known location, this, this, and this indicate it had a store, while this and this indicate it had a cemetery, and this, this and this say it was church, part of the St. Peter's mission. This, this, and this say that while it began as a station, it was an Indian village.  There's also this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. Onel 5969  TT me 10:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, unlike Sacate Village, I vote "Keep" for this one, per the comment above. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 20:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. I have done a substantial expansion. It's notable in several ways -- Indian village on what is now Gila River reservation, train station, church mission with murals by Native artist, still apparently a population center on the reservation, and there was a shootout there with someone called "Maricopa Slim" around 1910. Plus per OP's belief they're the same place yes kinda - Sacaton Indian agency + "Zácate, more frequently sácate, from the Nahuatl çacatl, is the usual name for grass such as horses and cattle eat, also called indifferently by Garcés pastos and pasturas, pasturage, forage, herbage. Such 'grass' is distinguished from sácaton, the tall rank herbage, such as reeds, rushes, and the like, unfit for forage."[4] A place called Sacate was the site of a battle or series of battles between Yuma and Maricopa Indians in 1857–58... ANYWAY I'm 90 percent sure that Sacaton (village) is the same as Sacate, Arizona but Sacate is distinct from Sacaton, Arizona, which is still the site of the Pima Indian Agency - I suspect Socatoon Station (a stagecoach stop) was very close by or at Sacate but I'm not an archeologist. I think Sacate Village, Arizona is a legal subdivision of the reservation and should be left alone until someone who knows the area and has relevant sources can address but whatever. jengod (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The sources provided by Onel show that this locale has received significant coverage from multiple independent reliable sources and thus passes WP:GNG. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:17, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

jengod (talk) 04:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.