Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sachin Dholpure (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Guerillero Parlez Moi 10:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Sachin Dholpure
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Fails NSPORT and GNG. The single non-database source is a narrative of a single game which doesn't discuss the subject in sufficient depth to meet SIGCOV. –dlthewave ☎ 13:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Cricket,  and India. –dlthewave ☎ 13:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the strong consensus at Articles for deletion/Sachin Dholpure. The fact that sports notability criteria have changed does not affect the notability of this cricketer. Note that per WP:NEXIST sources do not need to be present in the article. StAnselm (talk) 15:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We can disagree on whether or not NEXIST overrides the SPORTBASIC requirement, but I think it's clear that both guidelines require the proven existence of sources. Can you name one SIGCOV source? –dlthewave ☎ 15:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSCRIT #5. Sources don't need to be present in the article but they do need to exist; I note that this is the second time this article has been nominated for deletion, and in the year since the previous one no one has been able to find suitable sources. BilledMammal (talk) 16:16, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets the updated criteria in the opening paragraph of WP:NSPORT - "The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below", so going below you find it covers cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level. This is the second time this article has been nominated at AfD, with the nom following a previous pattern of re-nominating similar articles (one, two, three). When they were not satisfied when all three of those were kept, the nom sent all three to DRV. All three of those were all closed as endorse (IE keep). At worst, redirect to List of Madhya Pradesh cricketers, per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R and WP:CHEAP.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The SNG which you linked says "Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket, may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof." This article fails the proof of SIGCOG requirement as well as WP:SPORTBASIC #5. –dlthewave ☎ 19:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. While it's true that WP:NCRICKET mentions playing at the highest level, it says nothing about that making a subject notable, or that playing at the highest level meets some requirement. What it says is "cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket, may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof." So even the guideline being cited to support keeping the article doesn't actually support keeping the article. Since there is no further proof of sufficient coverage, then per WP:NCRICKET we must assume there is no notability. This article doesn't even have the presumption of notability, let alone established, demonstrated notability that articles on Wikipedia must have. WP:NEXIST does say that sources don't need to be in the article, but the sources do need to exist. There's been more than sufficient opportunity to present evidence of such sources, and none have materialized. For my part I have searched and came up empty. I also looked at the three other similar nominations for deletion before making this comment. Given that they are functionally identical my comment for all four will be the same (which seems to be the theme here with all the comments). - Aoidh (talk) 04:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep While NCRIC and NSPORTS have been updated since the previous AfD, there was a GNG passing source provided at the time of the previous AfD. It is likely that some coverage may well exist in offline non-English language media, although none has been found in the last year. I'm at weak keep because of this, but at worst there's a redirect to List of Madhya Pradesh cricketers as a valid WP:ATD if required. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I did see the source but it's just a brief and routine mention in an article about a Cricket match, not significant coverage of Dholpure himself. –dlthewave ☎ 03:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NCRICKET, it's actually not likely that there's coverage, and a reference with a trivial mention does not meet WP:GNG in any way (even ignoring the fact that articles require multiple reliable sources with significant coverage). WP:GNG isn't even approaching the level of being met here. - Aoidh (talk) 11:09, 3 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. The single non-stats source on him is strictly a routine, primary match recap, not SIGCOV. It describes how he and other players performed at one non-notable match, in a non-notable tournament, the exact same way every other such match is summarized. JoelleJay (talk) 08:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


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