Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sacred Office of the Inquisition

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was to move to user space and delete the leftover redirects.

Sacred Office of the Inquisition
Whether or not Wikipedia has "heretics" is irrelevant. And naming Snowspinner as an Inquisitor of heretics may constitute a personal attack. Regardless, Mirv started this page as a parody of District Attorney's Office. Either move to BJAODN or delete. BLANKFAZE | (&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;??) 18:09, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

&mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 18:16, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, no cause for deletion (but to those saying they'd vote to delete the District Attorney's Office as well, see Votes for deletion/District Attorney's Office). To address the specific points:
 * 1) If you believe the problem of heresy on Wikipedia needs to be addressed, then this page has obvious value. If you don't, then it's not doing any harm.
 * 2) Naming Snowspinner an honorary Senior Inquisitor may or may not constitute a personal attack. If it does, perhaps I should be reprimanded for personal attacks against the person I named Grand Inquisitor as well.
 * 3) This page is not a parody of the District Attorney's Office, it is a counterpart: an organization intended to deal with those who hold heretical opinion without committing substantial policy violations.
 * Keep unless District Attorney's Office is deleted, in which case delete. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 18:21, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Why should District Attorney's Office be deleted? BLANKFAZE | (&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;??)</b> 18:26, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe District Attorney's Office should not exist because I believe it is not for a small clique, overseen by a "dictator", to be in the position of identifying and rooting out "problem users." That should be for the community at large. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 18:38, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep until District Attorney's Office is deleted as well. -- Netoholic @ 18:22, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)
 * Why should District Attorney's Office be deleted? <b style="font-size: 74%;">BLANKFAZE</b> | <b style="font-size:90%;">(&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;</b><b style="font-size:70%;">??</b><b style="font-size:90%;">)</b> 18:26, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 *  BJAODN Delete. Was funny-once. &mdash; Davenbelle 18:25, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Changed vote. &mdash; Davenbelle 18:47, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:POINT.  And there's a big difference between making a personal attack on yourself and on someone else. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 18:26, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * How does WP:POINT apply? Certainly this page is trying to make a point, but how is Wikipedia being disrupted? -- Netoholic @ 18:30, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)
 * The point of my comparison was, of course, that it wasn't a personal attack. But never mind. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 19:13, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Before and after creating this page, Mirv edited (vandalized) District Attorney's Office to have similar inquisition-related contents to the present contents of this page, which does not at all square with his claim above that this current page is an independent page not intended as a parody of or reaction to District Attorney's Office.  He also committed pagemove vandalism by renaming District Attorney's Office to Congregatio pro Doctrina Vicipediae and Torquemada Brigade (both names with an "inquisition" theme).  Admins should not engage in these sort of pranks.  At Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR he dismisses these concerns by saying "Pagemove vandalism is moving 50 pages to gibberish titles or renaming them all PAGENAME on Wheels!" and "Boldly renaming a page to something that I believe to be more appropriate".  Sorry, but even one page move can constitute pagemove vandalism, and I don't believe at all that these were "bold renames" in good faith.  Good-faith renames would have picked some neutral NPOV title, not  preposterous and inflammatory titles. -- Curps 18:32, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * One at a time:
 * Mirv edited (vandalized) District Attorney's Office to have similar inquisition-related contents to the present contents of this page, which does not at all square with his claim above that this current page is an independent page not intended as a parody of or reaction to District Attorney's Office.&mdash;Edited yes, vandalized no, and I offer this interpretation of my actions: I wanted the DAO to handle those cases now within the purview of the Sacred Office, and when I realized the extent of opposition to that idea, I decided to set up a separate organization. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 19:13, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * He also committed pagemove vandalism by renaming District Attorney's Office to Congregatio pro Doctrina Vicipediae.&mdash;see previous. I wanted the DAO to handle these affairs; opposition made me consider a separate organization. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 19:13, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Admins should not engage in these sort of pranks.&mdash;'twasn't a prank. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 19:13, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * At Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR he dismisses these concerns by saying "Pagemove vandalism is moving 50 pages to gibberish titles or renaming them all PAGENAME on Wheels!" and "Boldly renaming a page to something that I believe to be more appropriate". Sorry, but even one page move can constitute pagemove vandalism, and I don't believe at all that these were "bold renames" in good faith.mdash;yes, okay, Willy is an extreme case, but the key is intent: moving a page solely to damage it constitutes vandalism, moving a page to change its scope or focus does not. You are free to disbelieve, even if you are wrong. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 19:13, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. District Attorney's Office may or may not need to be deleted too, but that's not really the issue that was raised here. You can submit it for deletion. I'll also point out that your insistence that they be linked puts the lie to your contention that Sacred Office of the Inquisition is NOT a parody. I may be just a noob, but I can spot a pissing contest when I see one. This page's only reason for being is to tweak the creators of District Attorney's Office. And it DOES use at least one personal attack to do so. KingOfAllPaperboys 18:40, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * your insistence that they be linked puts the lie to your contention that Sacred Office of the Inquisition is NOT a parody.&mdash;How's that? Secular courts don't handle cases of spiritual malfeasance and vice versa, so people ought to be directed to the proper place. Hence the links between the two pages. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 19:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Your disingenuousness regarding this obvious (and, might I add, clumsy and abusive) parody does you no credit, and in no way strengthens your case. KingOfAllPaperboys 19:22, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:POINT, and not amusing enough for BJAODN. Jayjg <sup style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 18:43, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * ok, it's wearing off. Davenbelle 18:47, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. For the record, I'd also vote delete on the Wiki DA's Office page. Mike H 18:50, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Abusive.-gadfium 19:18, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Who or what is it abusing, and how? &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv)
 * Delete Borders on patent nonsense. 'Heretics' is a blatant attack term here. This is merely an attempt to circumvent established procedures. --InShaneee 19:22, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Gamaliel 19:24, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The admins around here can sometimes get a little high-and-mighty. Folks need to be able to laugh at themselves. grendel|khan 19:48, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)
 * Delete not funny enough for BJAODN Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 20:37, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The DA Office is too wishy-washy, this one is much better.  --Torquemada|confess 20:46, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed, heretics do not always make themselves overtly known; often times they will adhere to policy on the surface while nevertheless thinking in ways that offend the more righteous among us. Clearly something must be done. This office will aid in the work of rooting out these heretics and exposing their errors. Keep as a useful counterpart to District Attorney's Office; delete if it is deleted. Everyking 21:23, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I quote: We also like bullying. and We'll evaluate the situation and take action to the appropriate place - potentially the torture chamber, the stake, or wherever else seems most appropriate. This is too much of a parody and people might easily misconstrue this. Rename and rewrite (calling DAO "our weak-tea secular sister" is POV, obviously not in line with current WP policy. If you want to be more firm in handling people, that's fine, but the page should still adhere to policy. Mgm|(talk) 21:54, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Neutralitytalk 22:07, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Personal attack, nonsense.  RickK 22:19, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Funny enough for BJAODN, but don't send it there unless it's first cleansed of personal attacks. JamesMLane 22:39, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to The universe does not revolve around you. Advice that all would-be prosecutors, inquisitors, dictators, and assorted other petty lordlings, along with all those seeking to dethrone such, would do well to heed. Also suggest that the Arbitration Committee try out one of its nice new remedies and order the major participants to write 1,000-word essays on the importance of WikiLove. --Michael Snow 22:55, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Personal attack. Not funny. Cannot possible do anything good for Wikipedia. Mirv has made his point, now let's erase the blackboard. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Personal attack (funny, though) --Neigel von Teighen 23:42, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. What Dpbsmith said, among others. Niteowlneils 23:46, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I rather like the parody, but nonetheless, move to User:Mirv/Sacred Office of the Inquisition, and delete the redirect. There is a place on Wikipedia for pages with self-described dictators divinities, but it's the user pages, not the Wikipedia: namespace. - Mustafaa 01:54, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, personal attack, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 02:12, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * BJAODN. This one is real good. --cesarb 03:59, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * BJAODN or delete.  →Iñgōlemo←   talk  06:22, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)
 * Delete. For all sorts of reasons, including the fact that this is clearly not encyclopedic. HowardB 08:44, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC).
 * Delete as personal attack, and violation of WP:POINT. Radiant_* 11:55, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or BJAODN. Slightly amusing, but the creator's petty vandalism of District Attorney's Office and disingenuous justifications add up to bad-faith. --Calton | Talk 12:09, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * delete as personal attack --iMb~Meow 12:14, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is just nasty, and is why Avoid personal attacks should be able to enforced via blocks. Ambi 02:01, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Can you provide your own thumbscrews? We'd love to have you. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 06:05, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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