Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saeed Tiwana


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Saeed Tiwana

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Non-notable journalist, fails to find some reliable sources. ApprenticeFan talk  contribs 01:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable, the sole reference only barely refers to the individual, and the article as a whole only exists because the speedy for the original (self-bio apparently posted by the individual, who's sole edits have been to spam the brief unsourced bio as well as numerous external links to self and business associates) and it was reworded to the current form. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 01:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Unsourced autobiography? Delete. Alexius08 (talk) 04:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. This was speedy deleted yesterday, together with similar versions like Major Saeed Tiwana, but apparently the creator really wants an article about himself on the wiki. Unfortunately for him he doesn't meet WP:N at all. Yinta ɳ   09:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The subject's military exploits seem to be mentioned in a couple of these books (the ones entitled Ayub, soldier and statesman and Story of Indian aggressions against Pakistan) but I can't tell from the snippets displayed by Google how much coverage there is. As a major general in a country that has had more than its fair share of conflict since its creation it would seem likely that he would satisfy the standards of WikiProject Military history's notability essay as someone "who commanded a substantial body of troops (such as an army or fleet, or a significant portion of one) in combat", but I havent found any direct sources for this, and I'm not sure how much consensus that essay has received from the wider community. The source in the article describes him as "famous war expert Captain (Retd) Saeed Tiwana", which seems to add to notability by saying he is famous and to subtract from it by casting doubt on his rank, and as "a poor man’s Ollie North", which again seems to add to notability by comparing him to an obviously notable person and to subtract from it by saying that he's a poor man's version. The upshot of all this is that I'm very firmly on the fence about deletion, but maybe my comments will help others to decide. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Further comment. I can't find any support for the claim to have achieved the rank of major general. The Pakistan Army Journal, when publishing his articles, describes him as a retired major. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


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