Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saera (software)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Saera (software)

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No evidence for notability. Creating editor (who deprodded it) describes it on talk page as a "very young project in early stage of development". Appears to be WP:TOOSOON. Pam D  08:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. -- Eclipsed (talk) (email) 09:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep This is vote against deletion of Saera article.


 * Saera intelligent personal assistant is open source what is significant fact as determines way, style, path, speed of development and no marketing activities but sharing information among users in communities. That was what I was meaning with "very young project in early stage of development", but after 4 of development and serving 4 operating systems it is nothing to be WP:TOOSOON.
 * Saera is of the same kind as Siri for iOS and Cortana for Windows. Because it is open source it has got no huge money in huge marketing departaments to advertise it, hence sources are limited now to mentioned in the article. Yet still it is notable as this is one of widely known intelligent personall asistant for main and of worldwide range OSes, and this is the only one for Linux MeeGo family which means it is significant for users of MeeGo, Sailfish, Maemo, Nemo systems. It is not any accidental file selector or irrelevant library but personal intelligent assistant with AI elements which still is (and note well: and will be during several years or even decades) under development. Hence used "young stage of development" is used in context of open source development but not context of WP:TOOSOON. A time ago the same situation and similar discussion (and also PROD nomination) was about Jolla and Sailfish OS or Jolla Tablet.
 * Saera (inteligent persona; assistant) ought to be treated in the same way as Siri or Cortana, hence deleting it is not any acceptable compromise. Resources available for open source project supporters or members or enthusiast and time of development of the Saera determines it is not yet as developed as Siri or Cortana ATM, but it is also not WP:TOOSOON already. Those projects, Siri and Cortana, are financed by 2 of the richest corporations all over the World, while Saera by open community only. Deleting Saera would be a discrimination of project developed according to open source standards in favour to collecting in Wikipedia only articles about and related with rich corporations. That would be discrimination because of owned money what would be unequal treating. The article has not been created in early 2011 but in 2015 after 4 years of development and after reached established position of Saera among users. However it doesn't have all features known from Siri or Cortana yet, it is still the same kind of IT tech, and still under development. Saera is functional, ready to use and available for interested in. Verifiable sources has been mentioned, even when there are not many of them still.
 * Don't delete Saera (intelligent personal assistant).Ocexyz (talk) 19:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: have found no independent sources to show notability. Fails WP:GNG and moreover the essay WP:NSOFT. BethNaught (talk) 08:19, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, the independent source link is #4 Noori, Sepehr James. "Personal Assistant on Jolla and Sailfish OS". http://www.jollausers.com. JollaUsers. Retrieved 10 August 2015. And published a half a year ago, before PROD. Mentioned above policy is fulfilled/complied. Ocexyz (talk) 12:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That link is not in-depth and moreover is to encourage people to donate. Still not enough for notability. BethNaught (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95  Talk   13:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep : This is vote against deletion of Saera article. Deletion or moving the article to elsewhere will disable maintining and developing this article. This also would disable other, then me, contributors to improve it. WP:IAR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocexyz (talk • contribs)
 * NB This editor has already !voted above. 
 * No two keeps please.. Regards— ☮ JAaron95  Talk   15:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: No notable sources. SmackoVector (talk) 05:06, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95  Talk   15:17, 24 August 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete All of the sources I could find were on developer sites and they describe a very early stage in the development process. . This is software on-its-way that needs to be beyond alpha before one can even think about a WP page. Although the development process may have been years, the page should wait until the software is deployed. LaMona (talk) 18:55, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 *  Keep  You metioned 2 sources, not all. Other sources from different languages shows this project is notable for wide range of readers and users from different languages and cultures. It hits very many and different people. So is notlable for many nations, meaning its members, not all nations. Software is in complete and functional/useabe stage as such, hence finished/deployed at the current state. Alpha stage means it is available only for developer{s) and not for practical use by common user - Saera is available for common user, and in the same time open repos are available for all who want to take part and contribute to the project, because it is open source. in the same time expectations and hopes from users reflects it is compared with other more advanced projects. But it is false thinking that such a project will ever have any particular and definable level, even after years. And Wikipedia reflects current state not any future hopes how it will look like in years. Following that logic both MS Word and Apple Siri articles ought to be deleted as they are still in development and will have different shape/stage/deployment in a time, different then it is now, now they are in alpha stage from this point of view. This lead to discrimination of all important projects that are not supported with huge money for marketing by big companies. I think your approach is not objective but "contaminated" with reflections from other similar projects, but unrelated to Saera IPS. Although I still believe in your good will. NB: above I have voted against deletion already, so I inform to avoid misunderstandings or something against correctness in discussion. Ocexyz (talk) 16:34, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * In addition to above: please note that Saera is open source what mean it has more developers/coders then one only, but all followers who develops the projects will recall first developer so at first look it may be an impression this is one person while this will be more persons who work with open source code and who shows first developer in front to make easier identification of project and to comply habits / good behaviour used in that scene. Note the projects hits many Linux platforms (Maemo, MeeGo, Sailfish) which are different OSes, users of many languages so many countries, many developers, and many people who decides this is so important / notable that notification about Saera is shared in the internet. What also makes this notable, no meter what stage of development it is ATM. Ocexyz (talk) 06:23, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ocexyz, the criteria that must be met is at wp:Notability (software). No amount of other arguments will have an affect on the outcome of the AfD process. Basically, you have to establish the significance of this software through reliable sources. Continuing to argue on other points does not help your case; in fact, it tends to show that you do not understand the WP process. Read up on the guidelines for software and look for sources that will support your case. Also, I note that you have created many pages with inter-related "see also" links (Sailfish_OS, MeeGo, Jolla, etc.). If you are directly involved with these projects then you should look at the conflict of interest guidelines to make sure that you are operating within that policy. LaMona (talk) 23:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * LaMona, I can't do more then searching and adding new sources, what I am doing. I am not involved in any of those projects, I observe them from the very beginning and also many others, and I am not in any situation of conflict of interests. That is MeeGo ecosystem which implies from Nokia N9 and MeeGo where also you can find some my contributions. Mentioned by you "see also" are related articles, as parts of ecosystems or in other ways, a background. Ocexyz (talk) 12:45, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: I'm a massive fan of software freedom, so I hope this project becomes notable some day, but right now, it is very far from being notable. --Slashme (talk) 22:53, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing approaching multiple independent reliable sources directly detailing the subject. Until we have that, delete. BusterD (talk) 04:15, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. As per nom and above editors. Searches didn't reveal anything which would indicate that this passes the notability criteria.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


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