Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sagrada, Missouri


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The result was keep. weak keep is still a keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Sagrada, Missouri

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State Historical Society calls it a post office. This old source implies that there was a store there, but the pre-GNIS small-scale topos either don't show Sagrada or only show one or two buildings there. An old Mormon church source refers to Sagrada as just a post office. References to a Sagrada Ferry on the river are likely to a nearby, but distinct place, as this Sagrada appears to be a bit off the river. A church camp with the name Sagrada is in the next county over, but appears to be unrelated. Based on the sum of the evidence, I'd say this is just a WP:GEOLAND-failing post office. Hog Farm Bacon 03:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 03:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 03:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep; it's a stub, but there's no reason why a suitably-motivated person wouldn't be capable of finding out more about the place. I think the one source from the book, the GNIS entry, the existence of the post office and the historical society publication are more than enough to establish that there is in fact an unincorporated community named Sagrada in that county. It's obviously not a hoax or contentious in any way -- nobody's going to get misled by this article existing. At absolute worst, I'd say to merge it into Camden County, Missouri. jp×g 05:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Tons of references to Sagrada in the archives of the Camdenton Reveille..  Perhaps I should make this general observation about those researching rural American geography stubs, as I've seen lots of AFDs on small American places in different states in recent months.  Many rural parts of the United States were more populated a century ago than they are today.  As farms were much smaller 100 years ago, rural communities, with active schools, churches, etc., were more common.  They were communities more than they were towns.  Camden County's population in 1900 was over 13,000, and fell below 8,000 by 1950 - a 40% drop.  The growth of the Lake of the Ozarks area explains the modern growth in that county (now over 45,000). In other words, these parts of America look very different than in the late 19th century.  The lack of recent references to these communities or lack of obvious ruins on Google maps doesn't mean they didn't exist.  Communities everywhere in rural America are largely gone and faded to whispers.  Just as mounds of sand today in Iraq were once villages (albeit 4100 years ago, not 100 years ago).  Thus, I find looking for local newspaper archives in rural America to be very useful in determining whether a place was really a community.  Sure, there are places being found in these AFDs sometimes that were simply a single house, but I wouldn't over-assume that GNIS entries are misguided!  Thanks to all who work on these articles!--Milowent • hasspoken  13:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem with looking at a newspaper like this is that the heading "Sagrada" does nothing more than establish a locale. I grew up in Howard County, Maryland, in an early subdivision there, and the Howard County Times would have news stories which referenced that subdivision, and at times even had sections of local news about it and others; it even has its own schools. But there's no way it's notable. Mangoe (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not a subdivision. I can't speak for the endless subdivisions of Columbia, even though they do have their own articles, e.g., Wilde Lake, Columbia, Maryland, and those are not real "villages".  Though I am clearly just messing around right now in Olga, Arizona, which is not notable, I do think this was an actually known rural community and is notable.--Milowent • hasspoken  21:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The SandDoctor  Talk 00:00, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Appears to have been a rural community rather than a town per se. No reason to delete, and there are mentions of Sagrada in the archives. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 21:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. It had a post office (yes, others disagree).  Newspapers.com indicates that people lived there.  The article has multiple references, though mostly trivial. Cxbrx (talk) 16:05, 14 October 2020 (UTC)


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