Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sahrawi national football team (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  05:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Sahrawi national football team
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Since the last AfD, it is now officially blessed as the national Sahrawi team by the Minister for Youth and Sports. However, there is still very little to be found in independent reliable sources, and I don't believe notability is met yet. From the sourcing presented, I can't take away anything more than that it exists, it played a match once, and is now officially the national team. It is not fully affiliated with the N.F.-Board yet. The best I can make of this is a case of WP:TOOSOON Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:30, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree. While until now, there had not been big steps in order to officialize the Sahrawi national football team, logically due to the Western Sahara conflict, the team has played in 1984, 1986, 1987, 1994, 2001, 2007 & 2011 several friendly matches against Algerian, French, Spanish & Italian league teams, as well against regional teams (Macau, Galicia, Euskadi). On the NF-Board, there are several teams on the same situation (Chechnya, Easter Island, Sealand, Kiribati, etc..), being only provisionally affiliated, so I dont see it as a reason for erasing the article, as these examples had their articles, some of them with less info and sources than this article. With the SADR minister declaration, the officiality of the team is clear. Regards.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 18:09, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem here is that I can't find anything that satisfies WP:N. No independent reliable sources that give significant coverage to the team whatsoever. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not agree with that. The SPS source is reliable as long as it talks about the official creation of the team, in that particular issue, and the rest are neutral reliable sources (www.fedefutbol.net, El Correo Gallego newspaper official web, NF-Board official web, Basque football federation official web). Of course there's not extensive coverage of the team, but that also happens with dozens of WP articles about little or unrecognized countries national football teams, not being a reason for deleting that articles. Regards.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that subjects we find less or equal sourcing for compared to this article should be the subject of an article. There is fairly broad consensus for WP:N, but I'll leave it at that, for others to futher the discussion. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, If a general consensus is reached on what conditions are needed for a national team to have an own article, let's do it, but applying that conditions & requirements to all national teams.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 12:16, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 21:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 21:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Delete - as already state, there is no indication this team meet WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:08, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - this is a national representative team and as such an article seems fine. TerriersFan (talk) 00:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 13:39, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment at TerriersFan - what nation does this exist? Western Sahara is a disputed territory, as there is no Government this team cannot be official and is not affiliated to FIFA. GiantSnowman 07:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - it does have both a Government (recognised by 84 countries) and a football federation, albeit in exile, so the structure for selection exists. Membership of Fifa or independence are not prerequisite for a national team article; see Catalonia national football team and Falkland Islands official football team for example. TerriersFan (talk) 23:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - The team might not be FIFA affiliated but it is a real team that represents a disputed nation, no different than many teams that represent autonomous teams (such as Catalunia, Galicia, etc.). Also, Western Sahara is recognized as a country by many countries in the world. TonyStarks (talk) 22:41, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - article seems well referenced. Seems to meet GNG. Not sure the issue here ... Western Sahara has a football team and this is it. Nfitz (talk) 23:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - as per reasons indicated by TonyStarks. League Octopus (League Octopus 08:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC))
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