Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sahyadri Polytechnic


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 02:54, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Sahyadri Polytechnic

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Normally, I would not advocate the deletion of a decent sized third level institution but the notability of this institution has not been established and as there do not appear to be any authoritative sources which discuss this polytechnic in any detail returned from google news/scholar/book it is hard to see how a decent encyclopedic article on this subject might be written. FiachraByrne (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The article basically praises the fellow who founded the institution and has no noteworthy content with regard to education, the local economy, nor any noteworthy alumni and their contributions to industry, trade, society or culture. It's a felicitation of the founder, nothing more.--Whiteguru (talk) 11:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 14:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as we do with all verifiable tertiary institutions. I have rewritten the article, removing the propaganda. Indian institutions have a notoriously bad Internet presence. Consequently, to avoid systemic bias, time should be given for local sources to be found. In the case of a Indian college, negative Google searches absolutely does not mean that substantial coverage in published, reliable sources does not exist. TerriersFan (talk) 15:55, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: do you have or can you get secondary sources for this institution? FiachraByrne (talk) 19:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  -- Jezhotwells (talk) 22:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: the one source provided is a merely a directory. Another online directory contains completely contradictory information.[ ] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jezhotwells (talk • contribs)
 * I dont agree that this does provide "completely contradictory information". However this is not the point. We don't delete pages because of lack of sources, we delete when they are on non-notable topics or there is evidence that sources don't exist. Tertiary education institutions are, of a class, notable topics and way insufficient time has been allowed to determine the existence, or otherwise, of reliable sources. Emphasis on Internet sources shows systemic bias which we should strive to avoid. TerriersFan (talk) 01:24, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Non-notable --Reference Desker (talk) 03:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - for this view to be valid you need to explain why it is not notable. Are you saying tertiary instituions are not-notable? Have you searched for local, physical (ie non-internet) sources? TerriersFan (talk) 22:57, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Firsfron of Ronchester  09:42, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep A tertiary institution is always notable. Zginder 2011-04-27T21:33Z (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Comment. The absence of verifiable information about the college means that all that can be written is a one line sub-stub and the photo. More information doubtless exists as it has to attract students, but without it actually being available to editors other than the author, then it might as well not exist. It is very well to lament the poor web presence of Indian colleges, but should we adopt a lower standard of verifiability for poorly documented things? Personally I don't believe that  tertiary institutions are intrinsically notable &mdash; to set up a college in many countries is a trivial matter; at the limit if I were set up such a business and it folded after six months because I could not attract more than a handful of students would it still be notable? I think the answer at the moment is "yes" but I am not sure it is the right one. Jll (talk) 12:18, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - setting up an accredited degree-awarding institution is not trivial and it is silly to imply that. The key elements - the existence of the institution and its accreditation are verifiable. As local sources are found the page will get expanded and sources added; that's how we develop Wikipedia.  TerriersFan (talk) 17:06, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Three points (sorry - I apologise that it is a long post): 1. What makes you say that it awards degrees? An earlier version of the article here lists only diploma programs.  Is a diploma the same as a degree? 2. How reliable is the reference? The imprint on the bottom of that web page implies the site is run by a company called Pragati Infosot Pvt Ltd (http://www.pragatiinfo.net/), not a government  body. So I thought I should try to find it on the All India Council for Technical Education website. 3. I can't find a reference to it on the AICTE website (I am using Google with "sahyadri polytechnic" site:aicte-india.org). Google of "sahyadri institute of technology" site:aicte-india.org works for me and produces an institute which was at least running accredited courses in 2009 and 2010, but seems to be based on a campus of the Visvesvaraya Technical University in a different town (but within the same state). I think it is a different college. sahyadri site:aicte-india.org throws up even more matches, but I haven't found anything closer than the Institute of Technology. sahyadri Thirthahalli site:aicte-india.org produces no hits for me. Maybe Google will work differently from where you are. I did also look in the list of accredited programs in technical institutions here but it doesn't list any Sahyadri so I didn't feel it was telling the whole story. Now I know Google has its problems, and the AICTE online documentation might be a bit of a mess, but I am leaning towards delete through lack of verifiability. Jll (talk) 21:33, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The external link in the article is to a Karnataka government web site that lists this as a polytechnic on this page. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:55, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as you have found official recognition of it. Jll (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. A tertiary college that is accredited by a government, or other widely recognised, body is pretty clearly a suitable topic for an encyclopedia article. Setting up such an institution is certainly no trivial matter as suggested above. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:20, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.