Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Andrews Presbyterian Church (Raleigh, North Carolina)


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 07:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Saint Andrews Presbyterian Church (Raleigh, North Carolina)

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Appears to be a thoroughly non-notable church. All the independent references appear to be directory-style websites, and I don't see anything that would be considered to be reliable. Surely the church's website (which is also cited) is reliable for internal matters, but it can't be used to support notability. Nyttend (talk) 13:30, 13 October 2010 (UTC) *Delete; a quick search revealed nothing else that would establish notability. Kansan (talk) 16:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete for a lack of references that establish notability. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 17:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems like a reasonably large and active congregation. The WP page is not much, that is all. JASpencer (talk) 19:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that JASpencer has expanded the article somewhat; this isn't a baseless vote. Nyttend (talk) 21:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not saying it was bad faith nomination. The NPR article took a bit of digging. JASpencer (talk) 07:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: An article on NPR would go a long way to satisfying basic notability criteria, and odds that the church has attracted at least another couple reliable references is good.  Ravenswing  13:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The NPR article definitely does help. I would say that the other references really don't do much (i.e. the funeral, the programs that may or may not be common among churches), but the inclusion of the NPR article was very helpful Kansan (talk) 04:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral now after the article expansion. Kansan (talk) 04:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 01:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Doubtful -- My immediate reaction was that the church had subsidiary ministries with their own articles, but closer inspection suggests that these are merely local franchises of the ministries of others. Accordingly merge with Raleigh, North Carolina or the district of Raleigh where it is located.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete The NPR and local TV references are not in-depth coverage of the church as required for WP:GNG; the NPR article is not even exclusively about this church. Whether the congregation is "reasonably large and active" is irrelevant; the question is whether the church is notable by Wikipedia's definition, and I don't see it. Do not merge to Raleigh, North Carolina since that article does not include information about churches. --MelanieN (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete I agree that the NPR piece doesn't really add to notability of the church. The idea of a church giving encouragement and lifting spirits, for people during tough times, certainly isn't unique to Raleigh, North Carolina.  That's where the reporter happened to be when the report was made, but it could have been anywhere.  I appreciate that it was added, but it appears that it was about 12 minutes short of the cliche of 15 minutes of fame.  Mandsford 01:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * At most Merge to Raleigh, North Carolina or the relevant neighborhood there (as I said above). This cannot be allowed to survive as a substantive article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing here implies notability. I've no objections to a merge to Raleigh, North Carolina - f it doesn't have a section on churches, there's no reason that can't be included. StAnselm (talk) 07:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Sources prove that the church exists, and operates as a church, (including the NPR article) but does not establish that the church is notable. Sven Manguard  Talk  04:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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