Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Elizabeth of the Hill Country Catholic Church


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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 12:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Saint Elizabeth of the Hill Country Catholic Church

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No evidence of notability for local parish, all content and sources are from their own website or the local diocese's. The best independent source I found is that priests here have abused teenages. Reywas92Talk 22:14, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * On the abuse thing. All that I could find was a single news article, single accuser.   Not follow up coverage, no indication of an investigation, arrest, trial or anything - just an accusation. Not enough info to add to the page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:14, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 22:37, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 22:37, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - updated Navbox for Roman Catholic Diocese of Charlotte since St.Elizabeth is a member parish; added See also section. Article improvements to better integrate into Wikipedia. Tag for more footnotes and search suggestions on Talk page. JoeHebda (talk) 14:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- This strikes me as a NN local church. Furthermore, since service times are listed, the article would require maintenance, which it might not get.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Obviously service times should be deleted, as should any telephone numbers (not present) or post office mail box addresses etc. Assuming that is done, then I take it User:Peterkingiron's !vote should be interpreted as "Keep". :) --Doncram (talk) 01:09, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * keep that fact that St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church (Lenoir, North Carolina) began as a mission church of Saint Elizabeth's adds notability. As does the fact that Saint's Elizabeth's operates the Church of the Epiphany as a seasonal, mission church in historic Blowing Rock, North Carolina.  In addition to local sources, there is an article in a national, Jewish magazine,  Moment (magazine), discussing the fact that Saint Elizabeth's lends its sanctuary every year to the local Jewish community for High Holiday services, going so far as to permanently install a Star of David in a window to make the Jewish worshippers feel more comfortable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition, there is a good deal of local coverage about the church's hosting/sponsorship of non-sacred touring musical groups and events.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete: Non-notable per Notability (organizations and companies) specifically WP:NCHURCH . The sources are mainly primary. Notability is not inherited, so referencing other churches as adding to notability, does not help. The link "The Town of Blowing Rock Celebrates 125 Years with a Birthday Party at Town Hall on March 11 at 2:30 p.m." gives passing mention to the Church of the Epiphany that is associated with the church but in another town. The Columbia University link didn't add anything as it requires logging in. The one thing of interest would be the Catholic Church sharing services once a year with the Jewish community but that does not raise the bar high enough. Without something "worthy of notice" this is would be a slippery slope that every church in the world should have an article on Wikipedia. I realize other stuff is not supposed to be a good argument but it is in fact used all the time. Otr500 (talk) 01:41, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above in it's relation to establishing mission churches throughout Western North Carolina. Clearly culturally significant for the Catholic population in Western NC. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 02:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Willthacheerleader18 An image of the charming, stone, Gothic-revival mission/summer church in Blowing Rock, North Carolina would be an excellent addition to the page ( I recall that you're in Carolina).E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Blowing Rock is a couple of hours away from where I live, but I may be able to get someone I know to find/take a picture of it. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 04:48, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:28, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per its role in establishing churches in an area where this particular denomination is not that common.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:27, 13 April 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


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