Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Francis Episcopal Church


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. Punkmorten 21:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Saint Francis Episcopal Church
Contested PROD. A nonnotable church of no historic importance. Since there's nothing encyclopedic to say about it, the article reads more like an advertisement. Delete. User:Angr 20:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Most individual churches are non-notable. --Metropolitan90 21:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. Given the number of wikipedians who are convinced individual schools are inherently notable, by the same standards I fail to see why individual churches are not inherently notable. Agent 86 21:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that religious congregations are even more numerous than schools, for one thing. --Metropolitan90 22:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, that's a lot like the Pokémon test. Saying "We have a lot of articles on non-notable topic A, so we should allow articles on non-notable topic B" is fallacious reasoning. Two wrongs don't make a right. User:Angr 05:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * FYI, I'm not saying individual schools are inherently notable. I don't think they are; neither are individual churches, post offices, supermarkets, shopping malls, etc. However, if it is that schools are inherently notable (without conceding the point), then the same logic applies to churches. It isn't two wrongs making a right, it's consistency. Until then, it's every article judged on its own merits.Agent 86 17:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete parishcruft. Has the church raised the dead? collected a gazillion bucks or God will call the preacher home? Thought not. Just another non-notable church among millions worldwide. Carlossuarez46 22:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete wikipedia is not a free webhosting service Bwithh 01:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree that it is unfair to delete an article on a church which has many more attendees than schools which have large and thriving articles. Besides, might there not be information which could be included in this article about the notability of this church? Gabeellsworth 14:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I also think schools are not per se notable. Here is (unformatted) the article in question:

Keep it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.111.253 (talk • contribs).

Saint Francis Episcopal Church, Potomac Parish, is an Episcopal church located at 10033 River Road in Potomac, Maryland. The church is a member of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington and one of the two churches in Potomac Village. Its bell can be heard throughout the village every fifteen minutes.

History The church was founded in 1955. It is named after Saint Francis of Assisi.

Philosophy St. Francis is firmly grounded in the tradition of the Anglican Church. The Episcopal liturgy is very important to the parish.

Day School One of the most important missions of the church is the operation of St. Francis Episcopal Day School, which comprises students in preschool through grade 5. The current Head of School is Patricia Talbert Smith, formerly of Norwood School, who began her service to St. Francis for the 2005-2006 school year and was officially installed as Head of School in December 2005.

Student Ministries St. Francis has a vibrant Student Ministries program which supports students in grades 7-12 (younger students participate in a Sunday School program).

Services During the school year, St. Francis offers three services on Sunday morning. The 8:00 service is the shortest of the three and has no music. The 9:00 is consistently the most well-attended service; on peak Sundays such as Easter Day those desiring well-placed pew seats for a group should arrive at least twenty minutes in advance of the service. The 11:15 service has music just as the 9:00 does but is smaller.

In the summer months, only two services are offered at St. Francis: 8:00 and 10:00.

The Holy Eucharist is given at most services at St. Francis. Typically, one to two services at each time per month celebrate Morning Prayer, in which the Holy Communion is not given. Communion at St. Francis is open to all baptized Christians, regardless of denomination; however, St. Francis welcomes visitors of any religious background to services.

What, pray (pun intended) tell, about any of that is notable? Carlossuarez46 20:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC) Compare it to Old North Church which is notable and not parishcruft. Carlossuarez46 20:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, and as a Wikipedian who does not believe the vapour-policy that all schools are notable either. --DaveG12345 16:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.