Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Ignatius University Centre, Antwerp


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  08:32, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Saint Ignatius University Centre, Antwerp

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fails WP:GNG, advertising The Banner  talk 13:02, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Both the past educational history and the currently significant activities of this educational center make it notable and worthy of retention. Jzsj (talk) 14:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ow, the university will be notable. But this just a think tank according to the article. It may be related to the university, but it is not part of it. The Banner  talk 00:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The activities of the centre are not significant at all in terms of volume or in terms of their relevance to Wikipedia's readers. See the list of items posted below. The activities listed in the article seek to puff up what is clearly a small and non-notable operation.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:10, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

"Leden van de Sociëteit van Jezus en van de vroegere UFSIA richtten een nieuw academisch centrum in dat de traditie van Ufsia verderzet, zonder zelf een universiteit te zijn: het Universitair Centrum Sint-Ignatius Antwerpen (UCSIA vzw). Het is een onafhankelijke vereniging zonder winstgevend doel die opgericht werd met het doel in de Antwerpse regio de traditie verder te zetten van een Jezuïtisch universitair project dat is toegespitst op thema's die bijzonder gestalte geven aan de christelijke levensvisie en op die manier dienstig is aan het geloof en cultuur en bijdraagt tot een rechtvaardiger samenleving."
 * Keep Appears to be the successor to nl:Universitaire Faculteiten Sint-Ignatius Antwerpen after its merger with the University of Antwerp. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 02:28, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The organisation itself added this to that Dutch article in 2010:

"Members of the Society of Jesus and of the former UFSIA set up a new academic center that continues the tradition of Ufsia, without being a university itself: the University Center Sint-Ignatius Antwerp (UCSIA vzw). It is an independent non-profit organization founded with the aim to continue the tradition in the Antwerp region of a Jesuit University project that focuses on themes that give special meaning to the Christian vision of life and in this way serves the faith and culture and contributes to a fairer society."

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * So, at best it is a spin off. The Banner  talk 11:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Scott (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete the meat of the article is in the first two sections, which contains a total of two sources. The third section, which does contains a large number of references, is just a list of the non-notable, routine activities of the article subject. That kind of information belongs on their web site and not here; it is promotion of the activities of the centre, rather than encyclopedic info. In addition, the lede description of the centre as "trying to keep alive" the old spirit and so on, is clearly memorializing and promotional in nature. I was going to say merge to the University of Antwerp, but that article already contains the information in the first two sections. Thus, this article brings to the encyclopedia nothing valuable, save a listing of its regular, non-notsbale academic activities. So, delete.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:30, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Just to summarize the seminar section's listing of non-notable items:
 * In 2003 UCSIA convened a seminar
 * in 2005 the Centre organized a seminar
 * In 2006 held a two-day workshop
 * in 2007-8 they subsidized four visiting scholars
 * in 2008 they held a conference
 * in 2009 they focused on "The Redemptive Power of Humor in Religion", whatever that is. Not encyclopedic.
 * in 2011 they sponsored a scholar to produce a book
 * in 2012 a book had coeditors from the centre, and also another book on Sports Governance, Development and Corporate Responsibility
 * in 2013 another book had coeditors form the centre
 * in 2014 a seminar was held
 * in 2015 and 2016, more coeditors (not publishing, mind you) of a couple books
 * in 2016 they brough an author in to lecture, and ran a workshop
 * a number of conferneces we co-sponsored, but that does not indicate that the conferences happened at the centre.


 * In sum, a very paltry list of routine academic, non-notable activities. As is evident, there is not much going on there to merit its notability as a centre... A "centre" that can only manage this many activities in thirteen years is pretty much a defunct centre.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Neither a spin off nor unsuccessful. Instead, like most centres of this type if it carefully thought out, before funding is secured. The idea that it has not achieved anything is nonsensical, just because the article doesn't have the content, and cant be proven unless an extensive conversation take place to determine if they have been successful.  scope_creep Talk  13:04, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


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