Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Joseph's Institution Junior


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to St. Joseph's Institution, Singapore. (As a side note I would ask those !voting infuture please state where as it makes life alot more easier and I thank  for adding that! - I've chosen Redirect as that's what happens with most schools - If anyone believes a Merge should take place I would suggest visiting the articles TP and to start a Merge discussion, Thanks). (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 03:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Saint Joseph's Institution Junior

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I see no evidence of notability here and no sources whatsoever other that the school's official site. Primary schools are not considered automatically notable. Squinge (talk) 12:04, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect, of course. Why is this even here at AfD? is advised to get up to date with WP:OUTCOMES before they continue to do any NPP. Now we have to go through the whole 7-day rigmarole. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:15, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Apologies for my imperfect knowledge of Wikipedia protocols, oh holy one, and for having had the nerve to try to help - if I'd realised we weren't allowed to help without perfect knowledge, I wouldn't have fucking bothered. (And it's not a new page, it's been here since 2005, FFS! ) Squinge (talk) 12:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've struck my unnecessary rudeness - it was an angry response to being put down by an admin for trying to help, but I should have avoided it. Squinge (talk) 13:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Considering "Most elementary (primary) and middle schools that don't source a clear claim to notability get merged or redirected in AfD. Schools that don't meet the standard typically get merged or redirected to the school district that operates them (North America) or the lowest level locality (elsewhere) rather than being completely removed from the encyclopedia" from WP:OUTCOMES (which, incidentally, says "This page is not a policy or guideline, and previous outcomes do not bind future ones because consensus can change."), I see the article was redirected on June 4 last year but that was reverted by admin the next day. With the redirection having been contested, presumably a discussion is needed to achieve a consensus now? If this is the wrong venue for that discussion, I'd be happy to be guided to a more suitable one. Squinge (talk) 14:49, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I undid the redirect because a (now banned) user had mass redirected hundreds of articles, including this. No judgement of notability went into the decision to undo. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:31, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Squinge (talk) 15:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect per longstanding consensus at AfD that primary schools are presumed non-notable in the absence of overwhelming evidence of their "special-ness." Trout to for his grumpiness with the nominator. Carrite (talk) 14:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 15:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 15:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 15:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: OUTCOMES is neither a policy nor an guideline, nor any other advice page, it simply documents what the community does by long standing precedent in certain cases. The actual policy, in which schools are also mentioned, clearly recommends redirect instead of deletion wherever possible. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:04, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd be grateful if you could point out that policy then please, for my education - I was merely looking at the page you told me to look at. Also, what should we do when an apparent policy-compliant redirect is reverted by an admin, as appears to have previously happened with this one? (Diff of redirect, diff of revert) . Squinge (talk) 15:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * (Already answered, above. Squinge (talk) 15:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC))


 * Merge to St. Joseph's Institution, Singapore unless independent sourcing is found. Those !voting redirect really should have suggested a target - you can't redirect to nowhere! - but I have now done so for you. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:36, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per ThaddeusB unless some one can suggest a better target. Primary Schools are generally NN, and I doubt this one is an exception.  I note that the list of principals has no links.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:05, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
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