Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Martin's Catholic Church (Cascade, Iowa)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Despite the calls for merging, no one actually demonstrated that there enough verifiable content to actually merge anything and the merge target does not even exist or is shown to be notable itself. SoWhy 20:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Saint Martin's Catholic Church (Cascade, Iowa)

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Unsourced article for over a decade, church does not appear to be a historic site. Failure of WP:GNG Rusf10 (talk) 04:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


 * See also related Articles for deletion/Saint Mary's Catholic Church (Cascade, Iowa)


 * Delete. Per WP:NCHURCH. -- Dolotta (talk) 08:57, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 00:42, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 00:42, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Nothing seems to be particularly notable about this church. Lepricavark (talk) 00:43, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete - I generally am lenient on churches but in this case I have WP:V concerns. At newspapers.com, there are articles which imply a new building for the church was begun in 1899 - which is different from the 1882 date in the current article. I'm not sure that the church isn't suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia, but I am afraid the uncited current page has some issues and I don't find reliable secondary sources that I could use to fix it. Smmurphy(Talk) 21:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge There is related, linked article Saint Mary's Catholic Church (Cascade, Iowa) which also talks about merger of the two churches.  I think merger of articles probably makes sense.  Also there is Saint Mary's Catholic Church (Dubuque, Iowa); not sure of its relationship. --Doncram (talk) 04:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. As neither of the two churches is in any way notable, their merger doesnt increase it (the Dubuque church is however notable, as it is listed in the Register of Historic Places DGG ( talk ) 06:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually I think the two separate current AFDs (see also Articles for deletion/Saint Mary's Catholic Church (Cascade, Iowa)) should be considered together and could/should probably be merged to an existing or new article on St. Matthias parish, apparently the name of the parish they were both merged to. The photo in the Saint Mary's article shows a very substantial church which goes to demonstrating significance, and covering both predecessors makes sense in a St. Matthias church/parish article (which gets some of its supporting significance from the predecessors).  Unfortunately my finding the correct target article is delayed as there seems to be no proper disambiguation yet for many St. Matthias Church places, St. Matthias Church is currently a redlink but will become a disambiguation page soon.  So wait a little bit and there will be a Saint Matthias Church (Cascade, Iowa) or similar which can serve as the proper merger target. --Doncram (talk) 21:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Comment- I oppose a merge, merging two non-notable articles together does not make them notable. The availability of sources is incredibly weak.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relist to give the evolution described by User:Doncram time to happen and then have time to properly discuss.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 00:45, 18 February 2018 (UTC) *Merge/wait until Doncram and others have a chance to work on his proposal.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Delete My searches came up blank.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:27, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


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