Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Mary's Academy, Lalazar, Rawalpindi. (SMA)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to St Mary's Academy (Rawalpindi). There is no clear consensus to redirect or merge but its obvious we can't have two articles with the same name so I'm closing this as redirect and leaving it to editorial discretion what (if anything) gets merged Spartaz Humbug! 03:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Saint Mary's Academy, Lalazar, Rawalpindi. (SMA)

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Non-notable, and reads like an advertisement for the school. -- &#x03C6; OnePt618Talk &#x03C6;  03:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - the page is a bit of a mess but I'll clean it up. This is an important high school with several important alumni. Sources are available online and no doubt more can be found by local searches. TerriersFan (talk) 01:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - the article fails to provide "substantial verifiable evidence of coverage by reliable independent sources outside the organization's local area" (in fact it does not provide any evidence of coverage. --Ecemaml (talk) 12:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The school exists, and it is a secondary school; secondary schools are pretty much always regarded as notable for Wikipedia purposes. The list of distinguished alumni alone should establish the school as notable. --MelanieN (talk) 01:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Changing my opinion to Delete/Merge or Redirect/Merge (see below), since I just discovered this school already has a fully fleshed out article, at St Mary's Academy (Rawalpindi). Haven't changed my opinion that the school is notable and deserves an article. --MelanieN (talk) 15:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: the "fully fleshed out article" lacks any "substantial verifiable evidence of coverage by reliable independent sources outside the organization's local area". Why do you think it's notable? --Ecemaml (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * By long tradition/consensus here at AfD, high schools are presumed notable - as are degree-granting colleges. See, for example, the discussion here. As far as I know this is not official WP policy written down anywhere - it may have been a proposal that did not get codified as official policy - but it has been the consensus at every deletion discussion about schools I have seen: high schools are presumed notable (the assumption being that reliable sources can ALWAYS be found for high schools); middle schools and elementary schools have to demonstrate notability via outside sourcing, otherwise they are merged to their parent district. --MelanieN (talk) 22:30, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW where did you get that quote that includes the phrase "outside the organization's local area"? I would like to be able to quote that myself in some discussions I am involved in, but I haven't seen that phrase in Wikipedia policies I have read, and it isn't at the link WP:NRVE that you supplied. Never mind, I found it at WP:CLUB - although it seems to be talking about local units of a national organization. --MelanieN (talk) 22:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite! Guidelines need to be applied flexibly according to circumstances and an independent organisations, that receive coverage regionally, as high schools invariably do, are notable. In any case, for Indian sub-continent institutions, that rarely have much of a 'net presence we should await the finding of local sources to avoid systemic bias. The reasoning for keeping high schools is at WP:NHS. Then finding of a somewhat better page by MelanieN was an excellent catch and the two pages should, obviously, be merged. TerriersFan (talk) 19:43, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there's not much to merge - the existing page seems to have most of the same content as this one. After any unique content is salvaged, this page could be either deleted or made into a redirect (although it strikes me as an unlikely search term).


 * Comment. This entire discussion is moot because a similar article (with a better name) already exists at St Mary's Academy (Rawalpindi). Accordingly, I have tagged this article for speedy deletion under the applicable criteria. It would be unfair to delete the other article based on this discussion because editors to that article were not notified of the discussion. Besides, there seems to be no consensus for deletion, as this is a similar to US high-schools, which are generally considered notable for a stand-alone article. -- Pink Bull  23:35, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No offense, but I deleted the speedy request; I don't think speedy is appropriate when the article is in the middle of an AfD discussion. We are close to consensus here on delete-and-merge or redirect-and-merge. --MelanieN (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.