Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Michael Catholic High School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. JForget 02:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Saint Michael Catholic High School

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Has no verifiable references from reliable sources. Disputed PROD. — Jeff G. ツ 18:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

You know what tell me what to do and i'll comply. My remarks above were totally uncalled for. I know that i'm sorry for them. I created this page because I wanted to give something back to the Saint Michael Community. Tanello1 —Preceding undated comment added 19:10, 6 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Delete Weak Delete - if the only source is the school's website, why wouldn't the interested person just go to that site? Article here is nothing but an unnecessary repeat. I also advise Tanello1 to review WP rules on no personal attacks and civility, and please turn off the Caps Lock key. D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 19:14, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I have remove the comments that i have made and i'm sorry. Sometimes i have the tendency to get easily upset. And i will be reviewing the codes mention by doomsdayer520 {User:tanello1] 2:18PM EST March 6, 2010


 * Keep A lack of sources is a reason to add sources, not to delete the article. Gnome de plume (talk) 19:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, what I meant in my vote above was that the school's website appeared to me as the only primary source available. I didn't mean that the article should be deleted just because there are no sources. Gnome de plume is correct about that. But I also think that the other voters here are making valid arguments so I have changed my vote to "weak delete." D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 19:35, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's possible, yes. As far as I can tell, there are no secondary sources. I could be wrong. I posted on the article talk page. Tan   &#124;   39  19:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. This AfD got off on the wrong foot.  Tanello1's initial response was wholly inappropriate.  However, xe has now apologized, and hopefully the AfD can now proceed in good faith.  The school's website is a reliable source for the content in this article, pursuant to Reliable sources. Notability is arguably a different matter.  One could rely on the usual outcome, per WP:OUTCOMES, that high schools almost always turn out to have sufficient coverage in third party sources to pass WP:ORG. In this case, I note that a quick Google search of the search string <"Saint Michael" "high school" "Niagara Falls"> turns up plenty of coverage of the school. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:29, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete no independent secondary source. The question is not whether the website is a reliable source, it is the lack of independent secondary sources to establish notability. Racepacket (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep There are enough secondary sources. Someone just needs to show a new user how to properly reference the article. New users often don't understand why their articles are attacked and get upset when their initial clumsy attempts, rather being assisted by the community, are immediately deleted. Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you link to one of the secondary sources to which you are referring? I'd like to !vote "keep" here but all I really find is sports coverage and passing mentions. Sixty mentions of a school dance doesn't quite fulfill WP:V. Again, maybe I'm missing something obvious, but instead of simply saying, "keep, there's enough stuff out there", we need to show it and link it. Tan   &#124;   39  19:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Just posted some links up 1. is the Niagara Falls Public libary archives of Saint Michael. 2. is the Niagara Falls Review articles of Saint Michael. If there is questions regarding this let me know. Thank you {User:tanello1}} —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanello1 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Try these -
 * The official opening and blessing of the new St. Michael Catholic High School in Niagara Falls
 * Saint Michael Catholic High School Profile from Niagara Catholic District School Board
 * Search at 'Niagara Advance' website —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.65.172 (talk) 23:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

A little comment about this page. This page was ment to tell about the past 20 years of Saint Michael. This wikipedia page was ment to be viewed and edited by past, present and future mustangs. As well as the people who want to know about Saint Michael. It was also ment to tell about the great things the school has done over the past 20 years. Like the boy's hockey team winning five straight Zone III championships And when the football team went perfect in 1991 to win their first Zone football championship. All i wanted to do was tell what Saint Michael had to offer and what it does outside the City of Niagara Falls. Anyhow that's is all i have to say. User:tanello1 Thank You 70.48.65.172

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Saint_Michael_Catholic_High_School" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanello1 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep It has independent sources now, including one from the archdiocese which I just added, so verifiability should no longer be an issue. Consensus indicates that verifiable high schools, especially ones with as many sources as this article has, are also notable and should be kept, so there is no longer any reason for this article to be deleted. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I would hardly call that source reliable, but I suppose it weakly helps the notability argument. I still maintain that verifiability is a definite issue. Tan   &#124;   39  00:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - I agree with the others ("keeps" that is). It's a verified secondary school, a topic that consensus consistently finds inherently notable.  This has reliable sources to boot.  We really shouldn't be debating every single high school in the world as that hinders our energies to creating and improving articles and coming to a consensus on secondary schools in general allows us to move on to actually improving this project.--Oakshade (talk) 02:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep We keep all articles on all high schools, precisely in order to avoid the nuisance of considering each one at length,  because when we do we find out that about 95% of them are clearly notable. I am forced to admit that bringing articles here does tend to get people to work on sources, but its sort of like threatening to hang people if they have an outdated car registration.     DGG ( talk ) 06:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - high school pages should be expanded not deleted. I support the arguments at WP:NHS. TerriersFan (talk) 03:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep because on Wikipedia, a secondary school need merely exist or have existed to be noteworthy enough for inclusion.  JBsupreme  ( talk ) 17:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep All high schools are notable by tradition/consensus, and this article is much better written and sourced than many others I have seen and voted to keep. I wish people would quit nominating high schools for deletion since they are virtually always kept. --MelanieN (talk) 01:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.