Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saipancakes (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Clearly there is consensus to not retain this article as it is. Nsk92 is willing to attempt a rewrite as a biography and there is some support for this so I will userfy to their userspace. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Saipancakes
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Non-notable flash-in-the-460-degree-pan. Qwirkle (talk) 00:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete there is a large amount of coverage over numerous years, (e.g. 2012, Wired and Cospmopolitan in 2016), but I fail to see what is notable about the subject, be that Nathan or the pancakes.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The subject of this page not only fails WP:GNG, but is clearly an example of the kind of drivel that is not worth the digital space it takes up. KidAd   talk  03:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mathematics-related deletion discussions. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have listed this in the mathematics delsort because he is a mathematician and published an article about this in Math Horizons . That does not mean that I think he is notable as a mathematician. He appears not to be. The article has zero citations and he doesn't have much else better. So any notability is for the media buzz for his pancakery. Although the sources used here span a two-year range, I think much of that is just an echo chamber effect where one source sees a story and decides to repeat it themselves a few months later rather than taking the effort to research a new story themselves. I don't see the enduring interest in this needed to escape WP:NOTNEWS and achieve true notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. A few human interest pieces, but nothing substantive to meet WP:GNG. -- Kinu t/c 04:29, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think at this point the page probably should be moved to a biographical page about Nathan Shields himself. There is a lot of news coverage of him that describes him as a culinary artist practicing pancake art and his notability appears to concentrate in that area. These are not just "human interest" stories, they are substantive profiles and I don't think we should dismiss them out of hand because of the low brow subject matter. For example this 2016 story from the Cosmopolitan, What It's Really Like to Be a Pancake Artist, begins as: "When Nathan Shields started making truck-shaped pancakes for his son Gryphon and daughter Alice, he never imagined he'd one day be making zombie pancakes for an AMC promo for The Walking Dead. " A 2014 story from Today, Batter up: Pancake dad turns weekend ritual into edible art: "We're not just talking Mickey Mouse here. The professional illustrator, math teacher and dad of two likes to entertain his two young children Gryphon and Alice by making truly spectacular pancake art. Recently, his pancake portraits of all four members of the Beatles have gone viral." And so on. IMO, there is plenty enough to satisfy WP:GNG here. Nsk92 (talk) 17:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: attractive though he is as pancake artist, and mathematician, this article can't stay like this. Consider the above keep comment seriously. Meanwhile, the TNT is there to blow it up. -- Whiteguru (talk) 12:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment/request. I admit that currently the article is in a sorry state. If this AfD results in the article being deleted, I request that a copy be copied to my user space, or perhaps saved as a draft. When I have the time, I would attempt to rewrite the page into something more reasonable. Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 12:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify so that the article can be reworked and refocused as suggests above. There's also a mention in Boing Boing (2014), an item in CNET (2015), and ABC News reporting on his appearance on Good Morning America (2016). Together with the links above, that's enough to suggest that a decent article could be written. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 17:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment he might indeed meet our notability guideline, but I have to ask what the story is here: is it that he knows how to make cool pancakes? This strikes me as being on the same level as something cool you see at a carnival. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, once we get rid of the bad sources for human interest newsfluff, we are still left with human interest newsfluff. No matter how well this is is sourced, it ain’t gonna make its way into the next Britanica. Qwirkle (talk) 20:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That is my concern as well. Do the sources actually give us enough information to support a legitimate WP:BLP? In all honesty, the sum of the sources in the article and presented here tell us that he has two children, is a math teacher, and makes pancakes, but beyond that, is there anything substantive upon which to build a biography? -- Kinu t/c 21:02, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment I agree that while there is coverage, it is very thin and perhaps not enough to sustain an encyclopedic article. Maybe he could be mentioned on the article for Pancake art and redirected there. Spicy (talk) 21:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I am unable to see the encyclopedic value of this article. If anything, merge a sentence or two to Pancake art (can't believe we have that article either). Netherzone (talk) 00:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into Pancake Art. --Paul Carpenter (talk) 11:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify, it is clear that there is enough coverage for a decent article on Nathan Shields, and there is no point needlessly deleting content when it is clear that things can be salvaged from it. Devonian Wombat (talk) 00:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


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