Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saji Kazunari


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There are sources available to indicate notability. While I understand the argument that it is debatable that this person is notable in English language sources, we are a global site, and the deletion policy doesn't allow for deletion because the main sources are in a foreign language.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  15:20, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Saji Kazunari

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See list at WikiProject Japan/Historical people. The sole cited source is reliable, but it gives very little information. A quick search of Google books shows no support. The stub article does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. --Ansei (talk) 19:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  20:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  20:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment Sometimes things can be significant enough for an article, but we can't expand the article beyond a what would normally be considered "stub-size" because of the scarcity of historical record means that however much research academics try to do, they won't be able to find anything else because nothing has survived. This is possibly the case here, but I'm not sure it's a valid reason to delete. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC) but that's not the case here.  The Japanese and Chinese Wikipedias are quite extensive and contain references.  References needn't be in English. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: There seems to be a lot of talk about him in Japanese on the net recently because his wife was the main character in the NHK Taiga drama in 2011. Saji himself appears as a significant character, which I added to the article. More research is needed to find more historical and not just popular writing. Michitaro (talk) 04:12, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Is it helpful to move the discussion towards issues of WP:Inherent Notability? I wonder if there might be consensus support for this sentence:
 * All historical characters in any of the annual NHK Taiga dramas are good articles because NHK is sufficient support?
 * If yes, I think I "get it". If no, I don't think I understand the implied arguments well enough. --Ansei (talk) 13:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment--I would think anyone who has been the subject of a major motion picture or television show would be notable, but there is no reason to say that any historical figure that appears in an NHK drama is notable. The Taiga drama run for 52 weeks with probably over 100 characters. As often is the case, you'd have to judge each on a case by case basis. Since I did not use Saji's appearance as reason to say Keep, I in no ways said that is sufficient. But it is one factor to be considered, among others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michitaro (talk • contribs) 01:34, 11 May 2013‎ (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  02:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Keep: A lot of comments above, but no actual keeps or deletes. Having reviewed the article and the arguments above, given the material clearly available via the Japanese-language Wikipedia page, I say keep. Bondegezou (talk) 16:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Article's subject does not meet WP:BASIC. There were many samurai warriors during the Sengoku and Edo periods, and the article does not indicate this particular person's notability; the fact that he was the "warden of a castle" is insufficient.  Mini  apolis  14:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 14:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. I was able to add two references: one from a reliable historical dictionary, the other on the actor faced with playing Saji for the NHK Taiga drama. While these are rather different sources, they speak to both his historical notability and his popular presence today. I was a little concerned about his notability being inherited--he is known mostly for marrying the woman who would marry a shogun and mother another--but that is also his story. Michitaro (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I am really on the fence with the import of foreign-language articles into the English-language Wikipedia. The Ja version has sources and if those sources were appropriately translated and imported, I could agree to keep this article.  The article is about a historical figure and could stand to be better known in the Western World.  However, that process of bringing the references hasn't been done and I doubt will ever be done.  Perhaps articles like this one simply aren't notable to English-speaking people.  In fact, many of the historical figures portrayed in Gō (TV series) have articles that are similarly unreferenced.  I'm content to delete all of them and link to the Japanese-language wiki.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. As far as I can tell, not really notable in his own right.  Only known for marrying Oeyo.  He deserves a mention on that page, nothing more. Bueller 007 (talk) 00:55, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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