Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sak Faslia (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 14:47, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Sak Faslia
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An article created by a blocked sockpuppet. A Google search shows that its subject has received absolutely no coverage in English-language sources. The article currently references message boards and Youtube videos. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 03:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: this book is cited in the article, is it WP:RS? (t &#183; c)  buidhe  08:39, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * To answer your question: probably not. It has a Worldcat entry but no publisher is listed. The author doesn't have any other works attributed to him.  This article describes him as an author rather than as a scholar or journalist. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 21:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: no coverage in reliable sources has been shown to exist. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:32, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * A methodological and historiographical comment: The keep/delete dichotomy in the application of WP:GNG on biographical articles and its occupational variants covers a lot of cases, but leaves out figures from sub-communities, which for gegraphical and historical reasons are underrepresented in bibliography which is available to internet users. Sak Faslia/Fazlija/Fazlia was an important military figure in a small region of Kosovo, Rugova. He was very active in the Kachak rebellion and Neutral Zone of Junik in the early 1920s. In WWII, he was anti-Chetnik, anti-Italian but more or less accepted German rule in the region and later became increasingly anti-Partisan. After 1943, he may have been given the option to cooperate with the Partisans but refused to do so. He was killed in 1944 in battles against the Partisans. Although he was from Rugova, his biography is more related to Sandzak. After the war, like many Sandzak-related figures, a peculiar damnatio memoriae was placed on him in historiographical discourse. In both Yugoslav and Albanian historiography, there was no discussion about him because he was anti-Partisan.
 * After the collapse of socialism in the 1990s, the book which mentioned, was written and published. I don't have access to it, but nonetheless a monograph about a figure who has seen no discussion in historiography for 50+ years is a sign of notability In 2017, the author presented a paper on Sak Fazlia in a conference held in the Albanological Institute of Pristina and organized by a cultural organization with links to Sandzak and the municipality of Gjilan. A street has been named after him in Peja, the center of the Rugova region. In 2005, he was reburied in his home village in a ceremony in which the central speaker was the president of Kosovo, Ibrahim Rugova (the blog link is an archive of speeches by Ibrahim Rugova and photos of the events). In the ~30 years that discussion has been allowed about Sak Fazlia in the small region of Kosovo, there has been historiographical, cultural and political activity in relation to him.--Maleschreiber (talk) 19:33, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've been experimenting a bit with the search function on google scholar. Apparently, some results don't show up in certain country-specific settings: I found two papers which mention him, published in 2008 and 2011.--Maleschreiber (talk) 01:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Another paper published in 2009.--Maleschreiber (talk) 01:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * At least one of these just includes his name in a list, not the kind of coverage that contributes to notability. Also, just because something is on Google Scholar does not make it inherently reliable. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  08:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep -- Lack of English language sources is no reason to delete. From the article, he appears to be leader of an irregular war band, which achieved a victory against a Montenegrin one.  Since there will not be higher level commanders, any argument from not having a high rank is specious.  I presume we disparage communist era Albanian sources as lacking NPOV; and anyway they would be in Albanian.  This is not a HOAX and since the person is long dead, issues over the bios of the living do not apply.  I know little of the subject.  The article is not a good one in its tone, but that is no reason for deletion.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 19:23, 13 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jack Frost (talk) 09:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete unless some new sources can be found to address the concerns raised above. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


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