Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sakari Momoi (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Up to editors to determine whether there is an appropriate redirect target.  Sandstein  17:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Sakari Momoi
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No independent notability besides this person's reaching an advanced age. His entry on the List of the verified oldest men is sufficient. — JFG talk 16:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete This article blatantly fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO1E, and WP:NOPAGE. There is no policy that the "oldest x" is notable and this article is packed with longevity fancruft like he was the first president of a particular high school and a breakdown of who succeeded who for what title. His name, life dates, and nationality are best handled on the two lists they already reside on. This WP:PERMASTUB is not needed. Newshunter12 (talk) 02:28, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete just living a long time does not make one default notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of the verified oldest people. --Garam (talk) 10:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 05:11, 28 November 2018 (UTC) Keep The sources in Sakari Momoi confirm that the subject passes Notability: World's oldest man Sakari Momoi celebrates 112th birthday in Tokyo ibtimes.com   World's oldest man dies at 112 in Japan <li></li> </ol>Cunard (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Delete and redirect per Garam. No chance of this ever having enough material for an article, name is a plausible search term at least for now. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 02:11, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Pinging Articles for deletion/Sakari Momoi participants:, , , , , , , , , , , and . Cunard (talk) 04:06, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep this nomination is borderline disruptive. Sources in article shows he has received significant coverage and pass WP:GNG. <b style="color: DarkSlateGray;">Valoem</b> <b style="color: blue;">talk</b> <b style="color: Green;">contrib</b> 04:18, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

<ul><li>Comment: Here are other sources not in the article:<ol> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>Cunard (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>


 * Comment: My second choice is to merge/redirect to List of Japanese supercentenarians. Cunard (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I could maybe see a minibio. But he basically got old, said he wanted to live longer, and died. That is the entire article, there's no way that's enough for a standalone page. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 06:01, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete its a 1Event case - he was reported as the world's oldest man, but no one really knows because there is no central tracting of this. Beyond the repeated report we have nothing substantive. WP:NOPAGE applies. His name belongs on the lists. Legacypac (talk) 06:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Reaching a certain age is an lifetime accomplishment not 1 event. It is an achievement that takes over 110 years and because it is notable, reliable sources begin covering these people. This is how we determine notability here. In fact there are more billionaires than supercentenarians because to reach such age is more difficult and more notable than earning a billion in net worth. Rarely does NOPAGE applied because most sources do not just state there age, they question their lifestyle to determine how such longevity is achieved. It is only common sense to cover supercentenarians in fact we should have even more articles about them, but this history of deleting supercentenarians has been very destructive to Wikipedia. <b style="color: DarkSlateGray;">Valoem</b> <b style="color: blue;">talk</b> <b style="color: Green;">contrib</b> 10:31, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Is there a reason you felt the need to spam this Chewbacca defense on 4 AfDs? The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 23:55, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.