Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sales and charts achievements for Mariah Carey (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. About as clear as it gets. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  14:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sales and charts achievements for Mariah Carey
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The article contains many fake, unsourced informations. Others are already mentioned in the Mariah Carey discography, Mariah Carey and albums/singles articles.

Examples: 1) Canada, New Zealand, Germany, Australia, Europe, Israel - none of the mentioned records is a record. Many other artists are much more successful with more number 1 albums, more platinum albums, more certified singles, and more hit singles. 2) Korea, China, Asia, Netherlands - unsourced and fake. 3) South Africa - is the unofficial airplay chart really worth mentioning it here? 4) United Kingdom - is the unofficial, unsourced "'Top 10 female artists with the most gold albums" important at all? The list does not include men or bands, and only include gold albums. Many other artist (even females) have many multiplatinum albums in the UK and are so much more successful. 5) United States - Merry Christmas is not "the second biggest selling Christmas album of all time in the US". It's completly fake. Here is the official list and Merry Christmas is #8. . And few others records are unsourced and may not be records at all (like Merry Christmas).

It should be deleted becuse it does not deserve its own article. It includes many fake, unsourced and already mentioned in the other articles informations. Actually, it could be an article proving how unsuccessful Mariah Carey is outside the U.S., if we compare her with other artists. And since last debate year ago, the article is still unsourced (and can't be in many cases - fake claims). Max24 (talk) 14:08, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - fake information and do we have any other articles like this? This should be put into the main article, or at least the most important points should and everything we can't verify be removed. The first AfD was a farce, the only arguments were basically ILIKEIT. A lot of this fails on WP:V and WP:RS. -- Logical Premise Ergo? 14:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * G3 I think that the fake and unsourced claims are bad enough to fall under "blatant misinformation." Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 14:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete in accordance with TenPoundHammer et al. There are already multiple Wikipedia pages for Carey in particular, and chart/sales achievements in general.  Or else change the title of this article to "Mariah rulezzzz!!!!!"  This reads like fan club material.Nostrildamus (talk) 15:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, but not speedy. Determining whether it is a hoax or not requires external research; speedy deletion is for blatantly obvious cases.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's blatant misinformation that could be harmful. We sure don't want the press getting hold of this misinformation, for one. I think it should be deleted ASAP. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually think the press would find this page and be happy to see that we make efforts to bring false articles to the light, agree, and nuke them.  Jamie ☆ S93  22:41, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A hoax template would warn off anyone who is even marginally responsible from relying on the page's contents. I should also note that I normally would have said "clean up and keep" to a nomination of this sort, since the topic clearly is notable even if the content is unreliable; in this case, however, the same topic is already covered adequately in other articles, therefore deletion is justified.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom and above. From a look into the history, there seems to be no salvageable version, the article is almost exclusively a collection of unsourced trivia, and as shown in the nom a part of it is also false, or misleading. Not all of it deliberate though, I'm guessing mostly through Chinese whispers and spin doctoring from all involved parties. There are one or two reliable references that can be dropped of at Talk:Mariah Carey. I would not object a SNOW closure at some point, but it's not at all G3 vandalism, not least because only some parts are apparently blatantly wrong. Amalthea  15:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The claim in the article is that Merry Christmas is the biggest selling Christmas album of all time in the U.S., but the Top 40 Christmas Albums list at http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/23093/chart-watch-extra-the-top-40-christmas-albums/ does not appear to be limited to the U.S. (as far as I can tell).  It is not inconceivable that Merry Christmas could be both the #8 biggest selling Christmas album worldwide, and #1 in the U.S. Tim Pierce (talk) 16:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The RIAA only tracks US sales and RIAA has Elvis Presley's Christmas album selling more than 3 times as many (12 million vs. ~3 million) as Mariah. So Mariah does not have the #1 selling Christmas album in the US.  TJ   Spyke   20:29, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  --  J mundo 21:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. It all seems to be in Mariah Carey discography already. If a country is missing from those tables, add it in, using reliable sources. Fences and windows (talk) 23:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Even if fixed, it would be a vandalism magnet, nearly impossible to keep accurate and synchronised with other views of essentially the same information. Redundancy is a bad thing, especially in an area that is plagued by socks.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Max24 is a Celine Dion's fan and Wikipedia is not the place for absurd disputes between singers. This article is necessary. The information just need references. And the information is not fake. Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson  have similar pages, without numerous sources as well. So why a legend like Mariah Carey cannot have one? Only sources are needed and everything is OK. The deletion request by Max24 was doubtful and possibly stingy. ChristopherMix(talk) 05:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * above user removed notification template from the article, user is beleived to be a sock of User:Petergriffin9901 Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. You can not source things that are untrue because these sources don't exist. Half of this article has completly fake informations. The rest is already mentioned in other articles. And many sales and charts achievements mentioned here are no sales and charts achievements at all. And don't remove the notification template from the article. Max24(talk) 09:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Max24 you already nominated - you don't have to vote. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.