Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saliva exchange (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 02:18, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Saliva exchange
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No sources linked at all and the topic itself doesn't seem to be notable, there seem to be several diverse topics referred to by this label in various areas of study, as shown by Edison in the previous AFD. SPACKlick (talk) 16:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC) *Delete as nominator. AS can probably be surmised from my nomination I don't find Edison's argument compelling. This is not one topic meaning anything beyond the two words. It's not one category of thing for a page to be written about. SPACKlick (talk) 18:04, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep (There follows my "keep" argument from the previous AFD 25 months ago. Apologies if any links have gone dead. Some links have deteriorated and no longer point specifically to the passage wherein saliva exchange is discussed. Perhaps new references have emerged in the ensuing months) "Saliva exchange" is a term frequently used in books about human sexuality, , as well as in books dealing with transmission of viruses and pathogens among animals as well as humans: , , , , , . The last notes that "saliva exchange" can be via shared lipstick, cigarettes and so forth, besides kissing. That said, sources just point it out as important without generally going on to any great extent about the quantity of fluid or methods to decrease (or increase) the amount transmitted or exchanged, or participants enthusiasm or lack of enthusiasm to be the recipient. "Backwash" from shared beverages, re-used water bottles  or even communion cups has also been written about. The sources go beyond defining what it is and discuss what effects it has, good or bad. There are also controversies as to whether it is a transmission mode for HIV . A letter to Nature reviewed a wide array of scientific papers which described forms of saliva exchange in folk medicine of African peoples, including putting saliva in a babies mouth and premasticating food . An article in the Telegraph said that scientists say kissing may have evolved to facilitate the spread of Cytomegalovirus from man to woman via saliva exchange so she can develop resistance to it which protects the baby: . Persons considering getting CPR training have worried about acquiring HIV from saliva exchange via the dummy from earlier trainees, and this has been written about: . A scientific study of the danger of peanut allergen transmission via saliva exchange used 5ml as a typical amount and looked at the danger at various times after the partner ate peanut butter. . New England Journal of Medicine had an article reviewing type b hepatitis as commonly transmitted by saliva exchange through children sharing candy or chewed toys . Seems to be a  notable subject, and references only have to exist (as shown above), and do not have to be present in the article for it to be kept. Edison (talk) 17:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * CommentSorry, SPACKlick, you do not get to add a Delete !=vote in addition to your nomination, but your comments are most welcome From 2014,"Goldman-Cecil Medicine" by Elsevier says on page 223 "Transmission of KSHV appears to be largely due to saliva exchange..." Other than that book, I see the term in many fiction books as a discussion of kissing,showing it to be a continuing part of popular culture, and in many journal articles behind paywall at Google scholar. Perhaps someone can see if the coverage there is substantial. A number of news sources Newsweek, LA Times) reported on a journal article inMicrobiome in 2014 which measured bacteria transfer during french kissing, showing that about 60 million bacteria get transferred by saliva exchange, and that kissing makes the oral biota of couples similar, and may have benefits to the immune system (unless the partner has pathogens!).  A San Diego Public Health Advisory in 2015 cautioned about intimate kissing, sharing drinks or sharing cigarettes as a prime means of spreading meningococcal disease: "Saliva exchange is how the disease can enter the body".  The article might cover "saliva exchange" as a part of popular culture sources which qualify WP:MEDRS should be the basis for medical statements. Some of these are behind paywall so those with better access are needed to examine them.  Edison (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:12, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Edison - Google brings up a few sources and books so notability's certainly there. – Davey 2010 Talk 12:48, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: Valid split from Saliva; notable and expands on the wider topic of human relation. Esquivalience  t 00:20, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


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