Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sally Ling


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The result was no consensus. Daniel (talk) 03:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Sally Ling

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I know the boston Globe is generally reliable, but I am not sure of whether it is for local restaurants--especially when the quote for how good the restaurant is comes from their attorney.  DGG ( talk ) 06:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 07:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete no actual signs of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Unfortunately, it looks like the restaurant Sally was made famous for has closed down. I'm not seeing enough coverage on it's history to warrant WP:N either. Redoryxx (talk) 23:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Continued coverage in The Boston Globe and Boston magazine, among other publications. Through a quick search, I've found several articles that were not cited (which I am now trying to use to expand the article). More could probably be found with some effort, particularly by looking through pre-internet newspaper archives, from the time when the original restaurant was still open. --Un assiolo (talk) 17:07, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. She, or at least her eponymous restaurant, is notable per in-depth press coverage. Boston Magazine said the restaurant was "a legend" and Scout Magazine called it "famous." pburka (talk) 00:56, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —  The Earwig   talk 02:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  This is a restaurant review. The review notes: "With the friendly, generally efficient service by waiters in black tie, and the polished, comfortable setting, one's expectations for the food are high. But although some dishes are good, others are lackluster. Novelty dishes, timid seasoning and carved vegetable garnishes in Day-Glo colors probably won't draw Fort Lee's large Asian population. The restaurant is obviously trying to be user friendly for non-Asians."   This is a restaurant review. The review notes: "Though its focus on healthy cuisine is not a constant, Sally Ling's offers a good bargain, an extensive selection and incredible service. In the year to come, I can only hope the cooks become more aggressive with their seasoning, more confident with their restriction of fat and more inventive with their culinary creations."   This is a restaurant review. The review notes, "In Boston in the mid- to late-1980s, Sally Ling's name was synonymous with upscale Chinese food, while Ling herself was touted as a force on the city's gourmet scene. No Formica countertops, no high-fat cooking, no communication barriers; her restaurants (at one time she had six in the area) provided true dining experiences."   This is a restaurant review. The review notes, "Sally Ling's is a storefront establishment a few blocks from Route 80 in one of those ubiquitous small strip malls, but it's nicely decorated in pastels with an art deco flair, many cuts above the average neighborhood Chinese restaurant."  <li> This is a restaurant review. The review notes: "There's an old rule of thumb old, and not necessarily true that you can judge a Chinese restaurant by its clientele: The more Chinese customers you see, the better it is. Which is why I felt pessimistic at Sally Ling's, as I stood behind the Himmelfarb party and glumly counted the house. But when the food arrived, my doubts dissolved in a sea of silky dumplings, savory hot and sour soup, and sizzling seafood." </li> <li> This is a restaurant review. The review notes, "When Sally Ling's opened on the waterfront seven years ago, with tuxedoed waiters, an excellent wine list and an outstanding menu, she was the first to introduce Bostonians to an elite style of Chinese food." </li> <li> This is a restaurant review. The review notes, "Since I was recognized on my visits, service was extremely attentive, but any diner will note the almost excessive attentions of the staff.  The waiters are skilled in presenting the kitchen's specialties. When your order arrives, they first show the prepared dishes to the table and then retreat to a nearby station and deftly divide the portions on individual plates." </li> <li> This is a restaurant review. The review notes, "Sally Ling's opened on the waterfront three months ago proclaiming itself to be 'a gourmet Chinese restaurant.' If you are beginning to suspect that this glorified description might be reflected in the prices, you are right. It is very easy to spend $80 per couple here for dinner, drinks, tax and tip.  ... Sally Ling's is a unique addition to the Boston dining scene. It will strike some as over-priced and pretentious. But I suspect it will also become a favorite for others who are attracted to its upscale style and very good food and who don't worry about the total on the check." </li> <li> This is a restaurant review. The review notes: "Sally Ling's gourmet Chinese restaurant made its name five years ago by introducing to Boston a fancy Asian menu and choreographing a luxurious dining experience involving sleek contemporary decor, tuxedoed waiters, tableside service and much pampering." </li> <li> The article notes that the last time Sally Ling was in China was when "her family left the country when she was a month-old infant". It noted that she traveled back to China for the first time in 1986 "as part of a small Massachusetts culinary delegation that is embarking on a remarkable 15-day Chefs' Tour" in a trip her husband, Ed Liu, set up. </li> <li> The article notes that the Englewood Cliffs mayor, James Parisi Jr., selected Sally Ling as Person of the Year in the city. The article further notes that Fort Lee Rotary Club selected her as Person of the Year. It notes that she was born in China and resided in Brazil when she was a teenager. It notes that at age 17 she traveled to the United States as a foreign student. </li> <li> The article notes: "Ling was recently an instructor of Chinese cuisine as a member of the Master Chefs of Boston seminar series on the Boston University Culinary Arts Program." </li> <li> The article notes about Sally Ling's, a Chinese-Japanese restaurant: "Sally Ling, who has 20 years of restaurant experience, and her daughter Christina designed the interior, which is suggestive of a rustic Oriental courtyard." </li> <li> The article notes: "The name Sally Ling's, identified in the '80s with a trendsetting Chinese restaurant, all but disappeared when the Boston waterfront restaurant closed and the Newton restaurant changed its name to Ha Ha." </li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Sally Ling and Sally Ling's to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC) </li></ul>


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