Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salvation in Catholicism

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. &mdash; Xezbeth 19:34, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Salvation in Catholicism
Proselytizing. RickK 08:42, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Rather than proselytizing, I would view it as a description of Catholic views. Of course, some of the language needs to be changed to be more NPOV, but that is more a matter of choosing different wording. (e.g. changing language such as "we must reject" to "Catholics reject", "heretical" to "declared to be heretical by the Catholic Church"). --SamuelKatinsky 08:44, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * But "here can be no doubt as to the supereminence of Christ's teaching; even as man, He is an eyewitness to all He reveals; His truthfulness is God's own veracity; His authority is Divine; His words are the utterance of a Divine person; He can internally illumine and move the minds of His hearers; He is the eternal and infinite wisdom of God Incarnate Who cannot deceive and cannot be deceived." is okay? The entire article is like that!  RickK 09:02, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Keep but needs updating.Andycjp 10th April 2005


 * Keep, but needs attention. The article salvation is the broader cross-religion discussion, this is the main article for salvation within Catholocism and deserves its place as part of a series. However, as it stands, this is a little heavy: it sounds more like a sermon than an encyclopaedic article, and could do with some toning down. --bainer 08:59, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep and clean-up, expand. Has potential to be an interesting article. Oliver Keenan 10:12, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep interesting in the extreme for those who enjoy comparative religion. Needs some cleanup. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  16:02, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rename Roman Catholic views of salvation, clean up, and NPOV-ify. --Angr/comhrá 16:24, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed, Keep but rename as per above and enforce neutrality. We can't delete religions just because we don't like them. --Asriel86 17:41, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Is that really what you think I was doing? Nice that you can read minds.  I object to this and would appreciate your rewording this.  RickK 20:48, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * I apologize, I didn't mean it as an attack on you; I just disagree with listing the views of a belief as proselytizing. The POV is a touch propagandous, which is why I suggested neutrality be enforced. As this is a religious subject, any discussion regarding it is bound to be offensive to some, so future voters should try to keep this in mind. --Asriel86 21:01, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your apology. I have no problem with discussing any religious concepts in neutral terms, but there was absolutely nothing neutral in the language of this article.  RickK 02:18, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a sermon, not an encyclopedia article. If someone wants to start a new stub at Roman Catholic views of salvation, that is a great idea, but there's not much in this that can be salvaged, as I see it. Jonathunder 04:15, 2005 Apr 12 (UTC)
 * Keep. --Mateusc 18:13, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, expand and rename, as suggested by Angr above, but also incorporate some comparison/contrast. A reader of this article might come away thinking that only Catholics have these views, which are in fact shared by many Christian denominations. What I want to know after reading an article on Catholic views of something is 'how do they differ from everyone else's views'? -- 8^D gab 17:18, 2005 Apr 15 (UTC)
 * Keep but edit. KHM03 18:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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